[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[The Kingmaker]

I wish we got a second West African Civ (for the coastal area), like Benin, Yoruba, Dahomey, or Ashanti, but it seems unlikely.....
The demand isn't high enough. And I think Africa is done after Ethiopia.

I think you’re probably right, unless we get a Final Frontier. I don’t see them giving us two African civs in NF. We’ve already got more than we’ve ever had.

Fortunately, Sukritact’s latest project is an Akan civ (which includes the Ashanti kingdom).

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

A question to someone more familiar with native American cultures. Do the Firaxis issue with Pueblo means Anasazi are also out? Are they the same?

 

[The Kingmaker]

A question to someone more familiar with native American cultures. Do the Firaxis issue with Pueblo means Anasazi are also out? Are they the same?

“Anasazi” is a Navajo exonym meaning “ancient enemies.” It does refer to the Pueblo’s ancestors, but they dislike the term. As worthy as they are for inclusion, I think the best we can hope for is a Pueblo city-state or a decent mod.

 

[Zaarin]

A question to someone more familiar with native American cultures. Do the Firaxis issue with Pueblo means Anasazi are also out? Are they the same?

Anasazi is a Navajo name for the Ancestral Puebloans, and yes, they are the ancestors of the modern Puebloan tribes, culturally if not literally (the Puebloans are a diverse group, after all). Plus they'd have no leaders and no language. Chaco Canyon or Mesa Verde as an Ancestral Puebloan city-state that allowed you to build Cliff Dwellings would probably be the next best thing, like the Cahokia city-state with its Cahokian Mounds.

EDIT: Ninja'd by The Kingmaker.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

A question to someone more familiar with native American cultures. Do the Firaxis issue with Pueblo means Anasazi are also out? Are they the same?

Yes the two were basically the same. You could make the argument that the Anasazi were the more northern people and Popay--one of the primary points of contention--was from the Rio Grande area, but for our purposes they would have been treated the same because there aren't any other really good Pueblo leaders that I am aware of.

 

[The Kingmaker]

The kiva would be a good UI for them.

 

[Zaarin]

I have no idea who would lead them, but I've wondered if the Hopi or Zuni might be more amenable to inclusion than the Tewa were. Then again, I'd be surprised if Firaxis tried again after being rebuffed by the Tewa.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Speaking of Berbers, I’d personally like to see Dihya (she’d be the only jewish leader in the game—although that isn’t a proven hypothesis, she could be pagan berber or christian).

I think for the Sw, the Navajo are the best option.

And I think if we don’t see Babylon in NF, there’s a decent chance that there’s at least a plan for a second pack.

 

[The Kingmaker]

Speaking of Berbers, I’d personally like to see Dihya (she’d be the only jewish leader in the game—although that isn’t a proven hypothesis, she could be pagan berber or christian).

I think for the Sw, the Navajo are the best option.

And I think if we don’t see Babylon in NF, there’s a decent chance that there’s at least a plan for a second pack.

Dihya is a good choice. I’m still hoping for Yusuf ibn Tashfin.

 

[AntSou]

And I think if we don’t see Babylon in NF, there’s a decent chance that there’s at least a plan for a second pack

Not so sure about that. If we don't get any Mesopotamian Civ in this pack, then I agree with you.

Tbf the non-inclusion of an alt leader for America is a bit suspicious in my opinion. Lincoln seems like a no brainer.

 

[Zaarin]

Tbf the non-inclusion of an alt leader for America is a bit suspicious in my opinion. Lincoln seems like a no brainer.

America would honestly be in the bottom half on my list of civs to get an alternate leader, and if it did get an alternate leader I'd be pretty disappointed if it weren't one of our first five presidents. Lincoln in particular I don't really see bringing anything interesting to the table to change the way America plays. What's more striking to me is that Egypt and China haven't gotten alternate leaders.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

America would honestly be in the bottom half on my list of civs to get an alternate leader, and if it did get an alternate leader I'd be pretty disappointed if it weren't one of our first five presidents. Lincoln in particular I don't really see bringing anything interesting to the table to change the way America plays. What's more striking to me is that Egypt and China haven't gotten alternate leaders.

the US is boring by design. Every game.

I can understand Egypt not getting one cuz Nubia is to them what Macedon is like Greece, but China, Russia and Rome should arguably have one

 

[bbbt]

America would honestly be in the bottom half on my list of civs to get an alternate leader, and if it did get an alternate leader I'd be pretty disappointed if it weren't one of our first five presidents. Lincoln in particular I don't really see bringing anything interesting to the table to change the way America plays. What's more striking to me is that Egypt and China haven't gotten alternate leaders.

The US is also nowhere near the top of my alt leader list, but if does get one, I want them to leave the presidents and go with Benjamin Franklin.

 

[Zaarin]

I can understand Egypt not getting one cuz Nubia is to them what Macedon is like Greece

Pericles and Gorgo say γεια.

The US is also nowhere near the top of my alt leader list, but if does get one, I want them to leave the presidents and go with Benjamin Franklin.

Anyone but a president would be weird to me. The entire point of the executive office is (supposed) to be the "face" of the nation, which is also the purpose of civ leaders.

 

[AntSou]

Free updates will include new maps. I suspect we're getting map scripts in the free updates, and true start location in the paid updates.

Likely paid TSL:
- Americas;
-Middle East (Byzantium and Assyria/Babylon pack?)

Possible free scripts:
- Great plains.

 

[bbbt]

Anyone but a president would be weird to me. The entire point of the executive office is (supposed) to be the "face" of the nation, which is also the purpose of civ leaders.

I'm fine with anyone who was a formative political force, even if they didn't ever lead it (I have issues with Gandhi for completely different reasons).

Granted, as much as I love Through the Ages, I wouldn't want Civ to go that direction with leaders such as Aristotle, Shakespeare, and Sid Meier

 

[AntSou]

I'm fine with anyone who was a formative political force, even if they didn't ever lead it (I have issues with Gandhi for completely different reasons).

Other Civ iterations have taken that approach, but not VI as far as I'm aware. They're going with actual leaders. Even Kristina was a ruler.

Which means no Prince Henry if we get Portugal, thank God!

Edit: I quoted the wrong bit, it was meant to be the part about Benjamin Franklin.

I hope we get Tecumseh leading the Shawnee, so "formative political force" is fine. I also wanted Bolivar and Gran Colombia.

 

[Zaarin]

I'm fine with anyone who was a formative political force, even if they didn't ever lead it

Generally speaking so am I, but in the case of America specifically, where we have someone whose job description is basically "civ leader" and whose power at the same time is very much so not ceremonial... Plus we have a good thirty or so presidents to choose from (disregarding that some are very unlikely but taking into account that I can't imagine they'd pick anyone more recent than Truman or maybe Eisenhower); it's not like there's a shortage of options.

Other Civ iterations have taken that approach, but not VI as far as I'm aware.

CdM and Eleanor of Aquitaine were queens-consort and queens-dowager; Gandhi had no official title or role.

 

[AntSou]

CdM and Eleanor of Aquitaine were queens-consort and queens-dowager; Gandhi had no official title or role.

CdM ruled, and even when she didn't she still wield power. Don't know about Eleanor.

I was referring to the likes of Prince Henry and Joan D'Arc.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I believe Eleanor also led in her own right, at least in England