[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[sonicmyst]

I am not sure if I am the only one who wishes for the Kingdom of Israel than Assyria or Babylon for a middle-eastern civ.

My prediction, however: Portugal (trade), North American (culture), Vietnam and Kublai Khan (culture/military and trade), Israel (religion), Byzantium (religion/culture)

 

[SMcM]

The ones that I'm looking at for Pack 3 is either Europe or Middle East. They could very well add 2 civs from Europe like Portugal and Italy to get them out of the way or focus on the Middle East including a civ from North Africa.
I can also see geographically the Byzantines getting lumped together in a pack with either Assyria/Babylon or the Hittites if they wanted.

I see a united Italy civilization as wishful thinking. Maybe I'll be proved wrong, but I think Rome gets in the way of that. We'v seen how ancient India is lumped in with modern India, and I think it's likely because of the Aztecs that we've now had Brazil, Canada, Gran Colombia and Australia added but no Mexico. We've had Persia in the games only ever having Achaemenid rulers, and no representation of Islamic Persia/Iran at all. Venice is only one small part of Italy and the city hadn't even been founded when the Romans were around so I think that was a different matter. I think potentially Firaxis will get around to Italy at some point seeing as their criteria for what civilizations they will include seems to be expanding (no longer usually going for the same old civs and even doing things like having Alexander lead Macedeon when he has almost always lead Greece in these games), but for now I think for now they will leave Italy.

The other problem with Italy is the city state issue of course, and lots of people might be unhappy with all the various city states being lumped into one civilization. Yes they did that for Ancient Greece already of course, but Greece is a staple of the series so they needed someone to lead it (and likely wanted a change from Alexander since he's lead them nearly every time). For Italian city states they might prefer to go the Alexander route and have Florence or Genoa or whatever as a civilization of it's own. It would be a different matter if they wanted a united Italy lead by someone like Garibaldi of course.

I am not sure if I am the only one who wishes for the Kingdom of Israel than Assyria or Babylon for a middle-eastern civ.

My prediction, however: Portugal (trade), North American (culture), Vietnam and Kublai Khan (culture/military and trade), Israel (religion), Byzantium (religion/culture)

Modern Israel is a no for political reasons (and the fact that it's very small for a modern country so perhaps not civ-worthy tbh). The ancient united kingdom of Israel didn't necessarily exist, and would be controversial also given that it is used to justify claims in modern territorial disputes which are a touchy subject Firaxis would likely rather avoud. Maybe they could have Judea under a leader such as Alexander Jannaeus or Salome Alexandra though. However I'm fairly confident they won't do anything like that as part of New Frontier.

I presume there have been calls for Hebrew representation in the series all along, I think that probably the fact it hasn't happened is testament to the fact that Firaxis doesn't want to go anywhere near the political situation that surrounds that. I would be pleasantly surprised if it did happen in some way to be honest, as it would be a nice change, but for the time being I wouldn't get your hopes up too much- I think that will be confined to modded civilizations for the foreseeable future.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I see a united Italy civilization as wishful thinking. Maybe I'll be proved wrong, but I think Rome gets in the way of that. We'v seen how ancient India is lumped in with modern India, and I think it's likely because of the Aztecs that we've now had Brazil, Canada, Gran Colombia and Australia added but no Mexico. We've had Persia in the games only ever having Achaemenid rulers, and no representation of Islamic Persia/Iran at all. Venice is only one small part of Italy and the city hadn't even been founded when the Romans were around so I think that was a different matter. I think potentially Firaxis will get around to Italy at some point seeing as their criteria for what civilizations they will include seems to be expanding (no longer usually going for the same old civs and even doing things like having Alexander lead Macedeon when he has almost always lead Greece in these games), but for now I think for now they will leave Italy.

The other problem with Italy is the city state issue of course, and lots of people might be unhappy with all the various city states being lumped into one civilization. Yes they did that for Ancient Greece already of course, but Greece is a staple of the series so they needed someone to lead it (and likely wanted a change from Alexander since he's lead them nearly every time). For Italian city states they might prefer to go the Alexander route and have Florence or Genoa or whatever as a civilization of it's own. It would be a different matter if they wanted a united Italy lead by someone like Garibaldi of course.

I agree that Rome being in the game has always been a issue but I'm not sure if that's necessary the case anymore for Civ 6. Italy has been a popular request, maybe only second to Vietnam, for a new civ from what I've seen

Considering they are now going by leaders based off of their capitals they could easily make it to where the capital could be Florence, Genoa or Venice etc. by making it a Medieval/Renaissance leader.
In addition to Greece they also have the Maya and Phoenicia whose civilization is also based off of a collection of city states.

 

[SMcM]

I agree that Rome being in the game has always been a issue but I'm not sure if that's necessary the case anymore for Civ 6. Italy has been a popular request, maybe only second to Vietnam, for a new civ from what I've seen

Considering they are now going by leaders based off of their capitals they could easily make it to where the capital could be Florence, Genoa or Venice etc. by making it a Medieval/Renaissance leader.
In addition to Greece they also have the Maya and Phoenicia whose civilization is also based off of a collection of city states.

I think it's still more of a wish than anything else anyway though. Logically, do you think Italy will take precedent over Portugal or Byzantium? I would say that was unlikely, so I can't see Italy making the cut.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I think it's still more of a wish than anything else anyway though. Logically, do you think Italy will take precedent over Portugal or Byzantium? I would say that was unlikely, so I can't see Italy making the cut.

I know it's wishful thinking, but I'm not going to rule it out considering it's been my number one wish for the game.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I am not sure if I am the only one who wishes for the Kingdom of Israel than Assyria or Babylon for a middle-eastern civ.

My prediction, however: Portugal (trade), North American (culture), Vietnam and Kublai Khan (culture/military and trade), Israel (religion), Byzantium (religion/culture)

Israel is too controversial at the moment for them to pick it imo. I can’t see them doing it.

I agree that Rome being in the game has always been a issue but I'm not sure if that's necessary the case anymore for Civ 6. Italy has been a popular request, maybe only second to Vietnam, for a new civ from what I've seen

Considering they are now going by leaders based off of their capitals they could easily make it to where the capital could be Florence, Genoa or Venice etc. by making it a Medieval/Renaissance leader.
In addition to Greece they also have the Maya and Phoenicia whose civilization is also based off of a collection of city states.

Lorenzo di Medici or Mathilda of Tuscany ruling out of Florence OR Vittorio Emmanuel II ruling out of Cagliari or Turin, would be my primary choices

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Lorenzo di Medici or Mathilda of Tuscany ruling out of Florence OR Vittorio Emmanuel II ruling out of Cagliari or Turin, would be my primary choices

As much as I'd like it to be focused solely on Renaissance Italy I guess I could live with Vittorio Emmanuel II as a leader if only his focus would be on the Italian unification. He could collect city states to add to his empire and would still fit the Italy theme with a "Birthplace of the Renaissance" civ ability.

Sort of how I wanted an Axum leader for Ethiopia, but instead we got it as the civ ability with a modern leader.

 

[blackcatatonic]

As much as I'd like it to be focused solely on Renaissance Italy I guess I could live with Vittorio Emmanuel II as a leader if only his focus would be on the Italian unification. He could collect city states to add to his empire and would still fit the Italy theme with a "Birthplace of the Renaissance" civ ability.

Sort of how I wanted an Axum leader for Ethiopia, but instead we got it as the civ ability with a modern leader.

To be honest this is the Italy incarnation I would expect, even if it's not the one I really want.

 

[zhugejingqi]

To be honest, I think our thinking is getting narrower and narrower.
Besides, a little whining. The introductions of new leaders are getting shorter and shorter, and their actions are often similar to those of previous leaders. There are many loopholes in the game, it seems that they have not been checked, they are sold as finished products.
Back to the point, it was just a little complaint. But if the production team, there is no better grasp of the game. I'm afraid that no matter what kind of civilization and leader they choose, it's hard to be satisfied

 

[Zaarin]

I would prefer a new civ like Lithuania or Bulgaria over Byzantium. We have two Greek, and a Macedonian leader (as well as Cleopatra), and the predecessor state Rome. Byzantium was an important Civ in history, for sure, but I have a feeling Greek culture would just really be overrepresented with the inclusion of Byzantium (sorry, Greeks). However, if there will be one more batch of civs, I'd love to see Byzantium in it.
For Mesopotamia, I think Hammurabi would be the most well-known leader, and thus, probably the best choice for marketing. I would also like to mention that ancient Armenia might also be a viable choice for a Mesopotamian civ.

Eh, Armenia is in the Caucasus and is closer to being Anatolian than it is to being Mesopotamian. Besides, "Ancient Armenia" is Urartu, which I'd love to see but is only Armenian in the geographic sense. If we're going to have Armenia, Classical or Medieval Armenia makes more sense. I'm skeptical they'd choose Georgia and Armenia, however.

At any rate, they're not going to pick a dark horse for the Ancient Near East--they're going to pick Babylon or Assyria--but if they did I think Elam would make the most sense with its long history as being one of the few states that could rival Babylon and Assyria.

As much as I'd like it to be focused solely on Renaissance Italy I guess I could live with Vittorio Emmanuel II as a leader if only his focus would be on the Italian unification.

I'm not too eager for any variety of Italy, but I'd be pretty ticked if we got modern Italy, whose chief accomplishments have been losing wars.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Besides, a little whining. The introductions of new leaders are getting shorter and shorter, and their actions are often similar to those of previous leaders. There are many loopholes in the game, it seems that they have not been checked, they are sold as finished products.

what actions??

 

[SMcM]

To be honest, I think our thinking is getting narrower and narrower.

Meaning? If you're talking about the fact that the number of civilizations people are considering as possible has narrowed, that's probably because people have been entertaining various possibilities for a while and now and feel like they have made as reasonable a prediction as they can as to what will be included.

Besides, a little whining. The introductions of new leaders are getting shorter and shorter, and their actions are often similar to those of previous leaders. There are many loopholes in the game, it seems that they have not been checked, they are sold as finished products.

Are you complaining about two different things? Because the recycling of animations is of course deliberate, not a bug or a loophole. And to be honest I don't think the recycling of hand gestures is too big a problem.

 

[zhugejingqi]

Of course I'm talking about two things. The same feeling of movement is one thing, it's just a small one that makes me feel dissatisfied. But many game errors are not fixed in time, which is really damaging the game experience. They always involve a lot of interesting civilisation and leadership. But the problem is that when combined with the original part of the game, there are always errors like this and that.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

nah, i don’t have a problem with recycled animations. I’d prefer more civs with recycled animations than less without them

 

[AntSou]

To be honest, I think our thinking is getting narrower and narrower.

Besides, a little whining. The introductions of new leaders are getting shorter and shorter, and their actions are often similar to those of previous leaders. There are many loopholes in the game, it seems that they have not been checked, they are sold as finished products.

Back to the point, it was just a little complaint. But if the production team, there is no better grasp of the game. I'm afraid that no matter what kind of civilization and leader they choose, it's hard to be satisfied.

It's better if you edit your posts when you immediately realise you want to add some extra thoughts, rather than make a new post. Unless the two posts are entirely unrelated.

 

[zhugejingqi]

Yes, all kinds of bugs are the real problem.

It's better if you edit your posts when you immediately realise you want to add some extra thoughts, rather than make a new post. Unless the two posts are entirely unrelated.

This is my problem. I will now correct it.

 

[Zaarin]

nah, i don’t have a problem with recycled animations. I’d prefer more civs with recycled animations than less without them

Perhaps, but on the other hand it undercuts their goal of making the leaders feel distinct and full of personality--especially the more they do it.

 

[Xandinho]

I'd like to see Italy in the game as long as it is focused on the Renaissance, I'm not very interested in modern Italy. That said, I think that an Italian civilization is unlikely, if we are going to get anything, I would say that it will be the Republic of Venice again or Tuscany.

 

[zhugejingqi]

I decided to sort out most of the points in this discussion.First of all, in addition to the fact that there are more European civilizations in the noumenon, each large-scale renewal of civilization 6 has a great geographical balance.
We now have the previous two packages, which are supplements for Latin America and Africa.Another important thing is that the fifth package has two leaders, but only one civilization. And it must be based on the basic pattern of rise and fall.
Many people believe that this is not based on a pattern of rise and fall, similar to the dual leaders of a civilization in Greece or India. It is very likely to be a new civilization and its leader, and a second leader of a previous civilization. This leader should be the second leader of the civilization which has experienced the rise and fall. And it(he or she) could be the common leader of the two civilizations.
Based on the above information and logic. In the past discussions, the following conclusions have been agreed with. The two leaders of the third installation package and the corresponding two civilizations may be Portuguese, Italian and Byzantine. The fourth installation package and the sixth installation package correspond to a civilization and a leader. It could be one of Assyria, Hedi, Babylon and a Native American. The fifth installation package, this is Kublai Khan led China and Mongolia, as well as civilization Series game fans have long been looking forward to Vietnam.

 

[Ezumiyr]

I wouldn't be against a medieval-focused Italy either, because it also has a lot of potential. We could have the Kingdom of Sicily for example, lead by William II, with bonus from having a multi-faith empire, or an ability based on the Lombard League with city states. Venice is naturally a possibility as well.
Or even the Papacy.

Renaissance Italy has a risk of being to similar with Catherine's France IMO, especially if it's Tuscany.