[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[sonicmyst]

I still wish for a Switzerland civ. The ultimate neutral country.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

I still wish for a Switzerland civ. The ultimate neutral country.

They mastered the art of standing so perfectly still they became invisible.

 

[BD123]

It would be odd to have Brazil but not Portugal. But it's also disappointing to leave North America with only the Cree as the sole indigenous civ.

Thematically, we don't have a naval trade/exploration civ. Spain and the UK have different colonial focuses than what I'd imagine a Portuguese civ.

 

[bbbt]

Is there any reason to believe that NFP will be the end all for new civs? If it comes down to a choice between Portugal and a NA civ, could the dropped civ be a seperate DLC or (seems unlikely) expansion?

The bulk of the programming resources have been MIA on NFP, clearly working on something else - possibly a Civ spinoff (ala Colonization, Beyond Earth 2, etc) or even a new game series that was mentioned a year or two back. My guess is that "something else" will be announced this May/June for a Fall release, all the art/production resources that are currently on NFP will go full steam on that, and there will be no more Civ 6 content.

Who knows though. My timeline estimate could be off, and they don't have anything big for 2021. Or they keep producing some Civ 6 content like NFP at the same time as launching a new series.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

The bulk of the programming resources have been MIA on NFP, clearly working on something else - possibly a Civ spinoff (ala Colonization, Beyond Earth 2, etc) or even a new game series that was mentioned a year or two back. My guess is that "something else" will be announced this May/June for a Fall release, all the art/production resources that are currently on NFP will go full steam on that, and there will be no more Civ 6 content.

Maybe March will be North Africa.

Then those who purchase the Colonization spinoff also gets a free Portugal and Native American civ DLC that are in that game as well? I know it's very wishful thinking.

 

[Guynemer]

The bulk of the programming resources have been MIA on NFP, clearly working on something else - possibly a Civ spinoff (ala Colonization, Beyond Earth 2, etc) or even a new game series that was mentioned a year or two back. My guess is that "something else" will be announced this May/June for a Fall release, all the art/production resources that are currently on NFP will go full steam on that, and there will be no more Civ 6 content.

Who knows though. My timeline estimate could be off, and they don't have anything big for 2021. Or they keep producing some Civ 6 content like NFP at the same time as launching a new series.

I think expecting a new major release later this year is extremely optimistic given the, you know, worst pandemic in a century.

 

[bbbt]

I think expecting a new major release later this year is extremely optimistic given the, you know, worst pandemic in a century.

Eh, games have continued to be released during the pandemic. It makes things harder but software development is one of the most work at home friendly fields to begin with.

Something like Beyond Earth - that used the bulk of the existing engine - would not be that much of a stretch. They've already done it with Red Death and Pirates! as microcosms. A $40 'midscale' release could also be possible, but as seen with BE, they don't seem shy about charging full price for a game along those lines.

Or there were articles about them working on a new IP back in like June of 2018. That could've been slated earlier and delayed from the pandemic and hit this year.

2K will definitely be expecting something from Firaxis this year to contribute to their earnings, I don't think the tail end of NFP will cut it.

 

[cain3456]

Who should be in:
Hittites. One brief appearance in Civ 3?
Iroquois. Bring 'em back.
HRE. If Greece & Macedonia can be separated out, Germany & HRE certainly should
Morocco. Especially with Carthage replaced by Phoenicia.
Bohemia/Czechia. Prague's not even a city-state!
Goths. The jokes write themselves.

 

[bbbt]

I'm a little torn as I'd definitely prefer another native american civ over Portugal, but game mechanic wise a exploration based Civ sounds appealing. More appealing than whatever 'look they get bonuses from forests' they might do with say teh Iroquis. With the new 'named features', getting bonuses for the first to name a feature could be an easy one for example.

Honestly, I'm sort of hoping they go left field again like with Gaul and we get none of the above

 

[8housesofelixir]

With the new 'named features', getting bonuses for the first to name a feature could be an easy one for example.

IIRC the current map feature naming is decided upon map generation, instead of discovery.

The "First Discovery" or "Discovery" on the other hand is an existing game mechanic that can be used for Portugal, like Spain in Civ V (cf. Sinbad's ability and Kandy's bonus).

"Naming terrain features by who discovered them first" is a game mechanic in the game Old World though.

 

[Villager720]

See at this point, I think they've kind of made it somewhat apparent they're potentially adding more content past NFP. I'm not saying it'll be as extensive as NFP with new game modes every two months but :
There's only one Civ left for them to announce and they haven't hit Portugal or any Native Americans from the continental US. And, to me, it feels fairly unlikely we'd get Portugal next when we already had the Byzantines, Gran Columbia, and Gaul in NFP.
I just can't imagine the final iteration of the Civ game with the most ever Civs can wholly lack Portugal (in since Civ III) and a Native American culture (Civ V had two US NAs).

I used this same logic to guess more content (NFP) was coming when they omitted Babylon in Gathering Storm.

With this assumption -
My personal preference for an additional 8 would be :
Burmese
Iroquois (Haudenosaunee)
Nepalese
Portuguese
Moroccan
Navajo or Pueblo (I know, I know...)
Hittites or Assyrians
Caribs or Taino

Super Dark Horse Pick(s) : Minoans or the Hebrews (make the capital Samaria and avoid the drama)

 

[Ticio]

Part of me wonders if the Mapuche are designated to be the other Native civ, but instead of making it North America they chose one in South America. Not that I like it as I think both continents should end with more civs than Civ 5.
North America is currently the only continent that has the same number of civs from the previous game.

I never thought that it was otherwise.
I presumed all natives Americans civs were in the same group. Maybe that explains why so many people want to see a new Native American civ as they see them underrepresent (as they see America as 2 continents and no just 1)

Quite interesting! If we take this approach of south and north america being 2 different continents, I understand better why we would need an extra native “North” American civ.
For me it was not as important, as native Americans are well represented with 5 civs (all represent the same "group", in the same continent; America), the same way Russia counts as an European Civ in the same list as UK or France.

Now I too think that maybe the Native Americans from the north could get a new civ. I hope they get one in NFP and let Portugal for a new dlc.
I would love to have Inuit, such possibilities! like making the best of Snow tiles!

 

[Republic of San Montuoso]

Well, if we divide America between North and South America, and since Mexico is traditionally lumped into North America (at least that's how I learnt it), that would make already 3 of the 5 Native American Civilizations part of the North: Crees, Mayas, Aztecs.
But when people are asking for more Native Americans, they're talking about people for the territories that now are the USA.

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

I feel the most desired Civs among average players now are Argentina, Mexico, Ireland, Switzerland, and Italy (because people want to have their representation, and want Civs they know), and Portugal, Iroquis, Morocco, Venice, Siam, and Austria (because of nostalgia).
For me, Venice, Berbers, Siam, Portugal, Sogdia, Benin, Muisca, and Iroquis would be perfect.
4 old ones, 4 new ones. 2 from Europe 2 from underrepresented Africa, 2 from Asia, and 2 from the Americas. Perfect balance is archived, and most of all my missing favorites are included.

 

[Lord Lakely]

I will happily take a NA civ, if Portugal had already been included in the game. Which they haven't been. Somehow.

 

[Republic of San Montuoso]

Argentina, Mexico, Ireland, Switzerland, and Italy (because people want to have their representation, and want Civs they know)

The reason I want Switzerland and Italy (for Italy it's a serious wish; for Switzerland, it's more like a "I'd like too but I know it will never happen" wish) it's because they could bring tremendous imaginative gameplays.
Italy is, in itself, a major european players and they created one of the eras we play in, the Renaissance. Seems only fair. Plus they would be the perfect civilization to play as a band of loose city-States with each city being kinda autonomous but powerful.
Switzerland could enter this category of league-of-cities system, but I can really imagine them having a better way of pacifically blob the free cities (after all that's how Switzerland grew after their independance, they never conquered anyone AFAIK), their perpetual neutrality could be tried to be played with, and their economy and mountainous biome scream for a really specific and unique civ, much more than any other.

One CUA I imagined was this:

Perpetual Neutrality: You cannot declare war nor denounced another civ or city-State (but you can be attacked and denounced) and cannot form alliances. When at war against another civilization, your loyalty pressure against this civilization is tripled. City-States you're the suzerain of exert loyalty pressure of your civilization around them.

With Wilhelm Tell as their leader (because why not continue on the trend of mythical leaders after all?), with a unique crossbow unit.

Their unique infrastructure would be the Vault, a Bank replacement, available earlier, produce +1 gold for every neighboring civ at war (or for every declaration of friendship) and +1 gold per adjacent mountain to the CH or per mountain in the territory of the city.
Could really be fun, and the ultimate turtle civ, way better at turtling that Qin, Pachacutec or even LSS.

If I could mod, I would mod it right away.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I never thought that it was otherwise.
I presumed all natives Americans civs were in the same group. Maybe that explains why so many people want to see a new Native American civ as they see them underrepresent (as they see America as 2 continents and no just 1)

Well North America and South America are seen as two different continents in the real world. Though when they are combined usually people say the Americas, denoting more than one.

Well, if we divide America between North and South America, and since Mexico is traditionally lumped into North America (at least that's how I learnt it), that would make already 3 of the 5 Native American Civilizations part of the North: Crees, Mayas, Aztecs.
But when people are asking for more Native Americans, they're talking about people for the territories that now are the USA.

Well the region of Mesoamerica, which is historically where Aztecs and Maya were located, is seen as a different region from the rest of the North American natives. That's why I, and many others only see the Cree as the sole representative of Native North America for now.

The reason I want Switzerland and Italy (for Italy it's a serious wish; for Switzerland, it's more like a "I'd like too but I know it will never happen" wish) it's because they could bring tremendous imaginative gameplays.
Italy is, in itself, a major european players and they created one of the eras we play in, the Renaissance. Seems only fair. Plus they would be the perfect civilization to play as a band of loose city-States with each city being kinda autonomous but powerful.
Switzerland could enter this category of league-of-cities system, but I can really imagine them having a better way of pacifically blob the free cities (after all that's how Switzerland grew after their independance, they never conquered anyone AFAIK), their perpetual neutrality could be tried to be played with, and their economy and mountainous biome scream for a really specific and unique civ, much more than any other.

Agree on Italy for obvious reasons.

I can understand why people want Switzerland in the game, but at the same time it makes perfect sense as a neutral city-state between all the other European powers.
Maybe in the future it could be a mercantile city-state producing gold for it's allies.
Plus we already have the "peaceful" shall not be declare war or be declared war on civ Canada.

 

[onepurpose]

Perpetual Neutrality: You cannot declare war nor denounced another civ or city-State (but you can be attacked and denounced) and cannot form alliances. When at war against another civilization, your loyalty pressure against this civilization is tripled. City-States you're the suzerain of exert loyalty pressure of your civilization around them.

This!

This would be an unique & asymmetric gameplay..

 

[Republic of San Montuoso]

Well North America and South America are seen as two different continents in the real world. Though when they are combined usually people say the Americas, denoting more than one.

In France, we learn that it's one continent called America (like we say Christophe Colomb a découvert l'Amérique and not Christophe Colomb a découvert les Amériques). Both can be said, of course, and we hear people saying both, be generally, when we learn (at least when I was in geography lessons) about it it's more one continent than two. From our foreign European vision where all this landmass is just rebellious pesky colonies where the only point of interest is, of course, the French Guyanne (obviously, this is meant as a joke, I hope everyone will understand).

I can understand why people want Switzerland in the game, but at the same time it makes perfect sense as a neutral city-state between all the other European powers.
Maybe in the future it could be a mercantile city-state producing gold for it's allies.
Plus we already have the "peaceful" shall not be declare war or be declared war on civ Canada.

Switzerland as a city-State makes perfect sense, but I feel that if we wanted the "playing as a city-State" challenge (like Venice was in Civ V), Switzerland would be perfect with the loyalty systems and all.

The peaceful-who-shall-not-declare-surprise-war Canada is 1) very lackluster (just for surprise wars and city-States, what's the fun in it) 2) very gimmicky (oh, look, it's the Canada, they're friendly and say sorry often! They surely never been involved in any war...) and 3) more like a gadget you won't use and which will not shape your gameplay rather than something really asymetric and gamechanging like full-Eureka Babylon, the thou-shall-not-drink-fresh-water Mayas and "Mine! Mine! Mine!" Gauls. As Canada, just denounce someone and declare a formal war 5 turns later. Sure, it prevents you from early Settler snatching, but frankly it's a mechanic I never used, and I don't feel any difference when I'm attacked/at peace with Canada as any other civ. With is a shame.

But sure, in my mind, in Europe (at least western let's say), France, England/Britain, Germany, Spain, Italy, Portugal, the Netherlands, one Scandinavian civ should be present. Which is already 8 civs solely for western/northern Europe (add in it Poland and Russia for the East which should be staples), and then you have already 10 european civs for a 50 civs game. I think Switzerland should be worthy of the game when we will have at least 75 civs in the game with fairer representation of the rest of the globe.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

But sure, in my mind, in Europe (at least western let's say), France, England/Britain, Germany, Spain, Italy, Portugal, the Netherlands, one Scandinavian civ should be present. Which is already 8 civs solely for western/northern Europe (add in it Poland and Russia for the East which should be staples), and then you have already 10 european civs for a 50 civs game. I think Switzerland should be worthy of the game when we will have at least 75 civs in the game with fairer representation of the rest of the globe.

Well in a game called Civilization you also need Rome/Byzantium and Ancient Greece for Europe, right?