[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[AvianBritish]

Ooooh!~ Bcecause we have the Ottoman Janissary requiring 1 pop to build; could we get the Portugese Nau unique unit requiring 1 pop but can each can build 1 city in an adjacent tile?

 

[Socrates-]

Of course there is a chance but no one here has true insight. I think the common thought is Tuesday but today wouldn't surprise me.

Tuesday does seem like a save bet, but that would leave quite a significant gap in preview material. Because of the new game-mode & incoming update I also expect (demand ) videos on those…

 

[AntSou]

Ooooh!~ Bcecause we have the Ottoman Janissary requiring 1 pop to build; could we get the Portugese Nau unique unit requiring 1 pop but can each can build 1 city in an adjacent tile?

Naus are a military unit. Its historical uses were:

- Bomb the sh*t out of coastal towns and impose tributary conditions upon their targets;
- Control sea routes by eliminating competition;
- Carry cargo back to Lisbon and military personnel from Portugal back to the outposts.
(Sturdy enough for long sea travel and could endure months without sight of coast,a must to round the Cape).

The ships would carry a few thousand men per voyage. These were fidalgos (low nobility), soldiers, priests and technicians, not Settlers proper. They were entirely dependent on sea power to impose their will and any battles on land other than skirmishes typically required the the help of allies in the region to compensate for the lack of manpower.

The most successful Portuguese settlements were those of Brazil and Africa, yet this was a latter endeavour (with the exception perhaps of Goa in India). It's the opening of the sea route to India and the control of the Indian Ocean through military/technological superiority which lends Portugal its notoriety.

 

[Cerilis]

I actually kinda think the First look will be today, tomorrow there will be a patch overview, and wednesday either nothing aka "preparation" or livestream.

 

[acluewithout]

I actually kinda think the First look will be today, tomorrow there will be a patch overview, and wednesday either nothing aka "preparation" or livestream.

Leader Video today. Patch video Tuesday. I could get onboard with that.

No private video on the YT channel. Doesn’t mean no, but not looking good so far...

 

[RohirrimElf]

I actually kinda think the First look will be today, tomorrow there will be a patch overview, and wednesday either nothing aka "preparation" or livestream.

We will know in a couple of hours. But the most logical would be the same but the days pushed up by one day.
Since firaxis launched a big cannon at us last week and the first dlc is just around the corner. I cant really be bothered if the first look gets launched today or tomorrow. Most interested in the patch notes (and a dev stream of course). Which i expect on wednesday and for sure thursday.

 

[Inawordyes]

I’m genuinely curious, for those speculating that we’re going to see Portugal, Byzantium and Italy in this DLC pass, are those just more of your own wishlist for what you’d like to see, or do you fully believe we’ll see three European civs?

I ask only because I don’t personally see it, as we’ve only ever gotten a max of 2 in the last pass and both expacs, and despite NF being unprecedented as far as post-launch civ support there’s no reason yet to believe they’re breaking from the norm they’ve set up to now. If this is the last DLC for CiVI, I can see Portugal and Byzantium because of veteran status + fan support (being “heavy hitters”), but I can’t see Italy make the jump as a newcomer if it means leaving one of those two out of the game in the end (despite it’s popularity amongst the fan base).

EDIT: But that being said, I’m open to having my mind changed! I’m not doubting or intending to debate Italy’s merits for being included, either. I just don’t see 2 returning European civs + a new European civ when established patterns (which could be broken off but have yet to be) with the prior DLC show it to be unlikely.

 

[blackcatatonic]

Leader Video today. Patch video Tuesday. I could get onboard with that.

No private video on the YT channel. Doesn’t mean no, but not looking good so far...

I believe it's been pointed out that the private video was likely uploaded in error and then made private. They've only done it once or twice before so they'd very likely not be doing that with all of them.

In any case, I still expect tomorrow but (as ever) am hoping to be pleasantly surprised.

 

[pokiehl]

I personally hope everyone's expectations are subverted.

It's interesting how there's already this general air of confidence here regarding the future civs: everyone appears very sure that Italy and Vietnam and Kublai Khan are coming for instance.

Aside from the lack of evidence for anything, to me, the inclusion of Gran Colombia (which few people anticipated) shows all bets are off.

Here's to be being surprised!

 

[acluewithout]

I’m genuinely curious, for those speculating that we’re going to see Portugal, Byzantium and Italy in this DLC pass, are those just more of your own wishlist for what you’d like to see, or do you fully believe we’ll see three European civs?

Portugal and Byzantium are from the GS leak. Italy is on the basis that fans keep asking for Venice, so I think FXS would want to include them at some point.

I personally hope everyone's expectations are subverted.

Well, the “wisdom of the crowd” list actually seems pretty attractive to me. But, yeah, clearly all bets are off. I mean, there’s freaking Meteors, Solar Death Rays and Druids summoning the Apocalypse. Also maybe Freemasons. All bets are about as off as they can get.

I believe it's been pointed out that the private video was likely uploaded in error and then made private. They've only done it once or twice before so they'd very likely not be doing that with all of them.

In any case, I still expect tomorrow but (as ever) am hoping to be pleasantly surprised.

Good point. And yeah, I think FL Tuesday is the most likely.

This is the first time I’m moderately interested in the new Civs. But I’m still most interested in the Patch Notes. They’ll hopefully a good indication of what direction NFP is going in.

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

Considering European Civs I wonder why people miss The Celts. I know some of us don't like the idea of bulb civs, but considering a large part of Americans has Irish origins and The Celts were in every Civ game before I still think they are a strong candidate be a DLC CIV.
That makes EuroCiv contest with two wining spots like:
- Italy
- The Celts
- Portugal
- Byzantines
- Venice (still is an option)

 

[AntSou]

I personally hope everyone's expectations are subverted.

It's interesting how there's already this general air of confidence here regarding the future civs: everyone appears very sure that Italy and Vietnam and Kublai Khan are coming for instance.

Aside from the lack of evidence for anything, to me, the inclusion of Gran Colombia (which few people anticipated) shows all bets are off.

Here's to be being surprised!

Really? Pretty sure Gran Colombia and Bolivar were repeatedly mentioned in the context of representatives for South America.

It's possible I'm perceiving this incorrectly. Maybe it was just me making noise .

I'd also expect them to be conservative regarding their Civ selection, given that they are already experimenting with a new model.

Kublai is a returning leader who can lead two ingame Civs and who gets a lot of community support. Same with Vietnam.

I'll keep my bets on Angola but I expect a very big cookie if I get that one right. It's a long shot and this spot is likely needed to make space for both a Native American and Mesoporamian Civ in this pass.

I'd prefer Italy over Byzantium, though I find the latter more likely.

If either Byzantium or Babylon fail to make it this season, that's a good sign we might get further content.

 

[pokiehl]

Really? Pretty sure Gran Colombia and Bolivar were repeatedly mentioned in the context of representatives for South America.

It's possible I'm perceiving this incorrectly. Maybe it was just me making noise .

I'd also expect them to be conservative regarding their Civ selection, given that they are already experimenting with a new model.

Kublai is a returning leader who can lead two ingame Civs and who gets a lot of community support. Same with Vietnam.

I'll keep my bets on Angola but I expect a very big cookie if I get that one right. It's a long shot and this spot is likely needed to make space for both a Native American and Mesoporamian Civ in this pass.

I'd prefer Italy over Byzantium, though I find the latter more likely.

If either Byzantium or Babylon fail to make it this season, that's a good sign we might get further content.

I don't recall popular confidence in Gran Colombia at all.

It's all just purely baseless speculation at this point - just as you expect them to be more conservative given that it's a new product model, I expect them to be more adventurous given that it's a new product model.

We'll see!

 

[blackcatatonic]

I’m genuinely curious, for those speculating that we’re going to see Portugal, Byzantium and Italy in this DLC pass, are those just more of your own wishlist for what you’d like to see, or do you fully believe we’ll see three European civs?

I ask only because I don’t personally see it, as we’ve only ever gotten a max of 2 in the last pass and both expacs, and despite NF being unprecedented as far as post-launch civ support there’s no reason yet to believe they’re breaking from the norm they’ve set up to now. If this is the last DLC for CiVI, I can see Portugal and Byzantium because of veteran status + fan support (being “heavy hitters”), but I can’t see Italy make the jump as a newcomer if it means leaving one of those two out of the game in the end (despite it’s popularity amongst the fan base).

EDIT: But that being said, I’m open to having my mind changed! I’m not doubting or intending to debate Italy’s merits for being included, either. I just don’t see 2 returning European civs + a new European civ when established patterns (which could be broken off but have yet to be) with the prior DLC show it to be unlikely.

My workaround for that is:
- You could argue that R&F had three European Civs, if you include Georgia, who are really a Eurasian Civ (where easternmost Europe meets central Asia) - culturally I actually think Byzantium has more in common with Georgia than with many of the other European Civs already in the game.
- I tend to think of Byzantium as Middle Eastern rather than European, based on where their power was based geographically rather than their Greco-Roman origins.
- While you could think of them as European based on their developing from European cultures, the same could be said of Canada, which, while not strictly speaking being a European Civ, also has much of its cultural roots in England and France.

This would leave you with two unambiguously European Civs and one that's a little bit more of a fringe case, which I think is fine, especially when you consider that we are (probably) not getting another European alt leader, whereas we did for GS in the form of Eleanor. Even if you exclude Canada (since you could argue that GC fulfils the role of a post-colonial Civ with European ancestry), I think if you think of R&F adding 2 solid Euro Civs (Scotland, Netherlands) and 1 sort-of Euro Civ (Georgia), and GS adding 2 solid Euro Civs (Sweden, Hungary) and one European leader (Eleanor), I don't think all three of Portugal, Byzantium and Italy would be a stretch. Portugal, Italy and Austria, on the other hand, might be.

I'm more confident about Byzantium and Portugal than Italy, though, because the first two are well-established returning Civs and were both mentioned in the 'leak'. I've wanted to see Italy in Civ since Civ V and Venice gave me hope that they'd consider it one day, and I do think there's room for them here.

 

[AntSou]

I think Vietnam is likely because it's genuinely an oversight for it not to be included in a Civ game. The leader itself is a different matter.

North America is still very under-represented. I doubt we'll see Celts or Goths before North America gets some love.

I then expect either Portugal or Byzantium as a returning staple.

The omission of these would surprise me, but nothing else.

 

[ShahJahanII]

My workaround for that is:
- You could argue that R&F had three European Civs, if you include Georgia, who are really a Eurasian Civ (where easternmost Europe meets central Asia) - culturally I actually think Byzantium has more in common with Georgia than with many of the other European Civs already in the game.
- I tend to think of Byzantium as Middle Eastern rather than European, based on where their power was based geographically rather than their Greco-Roman origins.
- While you could think of them as European based on their developing from European cultures, the same could be said of Canada, which, while not strictly speaking being a European Civ, also has much of its cultural roots in England and France.

This would leave you with two unambiguously European Civs and one that's a little bit more of a fringe case, which I think is fine, especially when you consider that we are (probably) not getting another European alt leader, whereas we did for GS in the form of Eleanor. Even if you exclude Canada (since you could argue that GC fulfils the role of a post-colonial Civ with European ancestry), I think if you think of R&F adding 2 solid Euro Civs (Scotland, Netherlands) and 1 sort-of Euro Civ (Georgia), and GS adding 2 solid Euro Civs (Sweden, Hungary) and one European leader (Eleanor), I don't think all three of Portugal, Byzantium and Italy would be a stretch. Portugal, Italy and Austria, on the other hand, might be.

I'm more confident about Byzantium and Portugal than Italy, though, because the first two are well-established returning Civs and were both mentioned in the 'leak'. I've wanted to see Italy in Civ since Civ V and Venice gave me hope that they'd consider it one day, and I do think there's room for them here.

What is this leak people keep referring to?

 

[Inhalaattori]

Portugal and Byzantium are from the GS leak. Italy is on the basis that fans keep asking for Venice, so I think FXS would want to include them at some point.

Well, the “wisdom of the crowd” list actually seems pretty attractive to me. But, yeah, clearly all bets are off. I mean, there’s freaking Meteors, Solar Death Rays and Druids summoning the Apocalypse. Also maybe Freemasons. All bets are about as off as they can get.

Good point. And yeah, I think FL Tuesday is the most likely.

This is the first time I’m moderately interested in the new Civs. But I’m still most interested in the Patch Notes. They’ll hopefully a good indication of what direction NFP is going in.

Is there some ACTUAL leak or is it just some random person from the Internet mentioning Civs that everybody knew would be included? Maya, Ethiopia, Portugal were practically 100% certain Civs and Byzantium is not far behind.

 

[AntSou]

What is this leak people keep referring to?

Is there some ACTUAL leak or is it just some random person from the Internet mentioning Civs that everybody knew would be included? Maya, Ethiopia, Portugal were practically 100% certain Civs and Byzantium is not far behind.

It's the guy who "predicted" the name of the second expansion, all of its disasters and new districts and all of the GS Civs.

 

[Republic of San Montuoso]

If either Byzantium or Babylon fail to make it this season, that's a good sign we might get further content.

Or maybe they're changing their plans.

As much as I love Babylon and would love to see their return, I don't think they're necessary and I won't be disappointed if they didn't make it in Civ VI.

On the other hand, I hate the hype over Byzantium. I mean, the major argument people had to not have Italy being in the game was "There was already Rome, we can't have Italy!" while Byzantium was literally the Roman Empire (they never called themselves Byzantium IIRC) and their capital is literally at the same place as Ottomans capital. And don't get me started over the Greece/Byzantium overlap (and Macedon now too).

Plus, if Byzantium is a contender, what would they be? A religious militaristic/cultural civ? Haven't we have enough of them? Byzantium is a "classic" empire, not so much new about them that "big empire that went wide". I mean, with Italy, we have the possibilities to try new gameplays about the city-states organization of renaissance Italy; even Babylon, if we simply keep the city-State bonus and make it a CUA, would be an interesting take on a scientific civ, making science not necessarily out of campuses but out of great works (but it would work great with Assyria and Nineveh). But Byzantium? I bet that if they put it in NFP they would be another basic civ with no new and engaging gameplay, and would be there only because it's a fan staple with no reason than being a staple.

 

[blackcatatonic]

What is this leak people keep referring to?

The post is here: https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/all-quiet-on-the-civ-front.633171/page-32#post-15222899

This guy called 'AssemblingTyphoon' (a play on 'Gathering Storm') appeared a little while before the expansion was announced and correctly predicted all the expansion's features.

What he said on the subject of a third expansion was:

I think there'll be two more expansions for Civ VI rather than just one so Maya, Byzantium, Portugal, Assyria/Babylon, a Native American Civ, Ethiopia would be very likely for Expansion 3. Mali was already in my list. Phoenicia would make Carthage unlikely.

There are a lot of reasons not to take this as gospel - we don't know what plans may have changed since this was posted, and indeed we appear not to be getting a third expansion as such - but there are a lot of reasons to take it seriously, especially since two of the Civs he named have already been announced.

Is there some ACTUAL leak or is it just some random person from the Internet mentioning Civs that everybody knew would be included? Maya, Ethiopia, Portugal were practically 100% certain Civs and Byzantium is not far behind.

Only for GS - but because the same poster clearly appeared to have inside knowledge of some kind, we are assuming that the Civs they mentioned were likely candidates for future expansions/DLC.