[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

Thormodr said:
Still hoping the North American Civ will be the Inuit. If not, then a great plains aboriginal civ.


True. The Inuit never invented anything.

They didn't invent kayaks, toggle head harpoons with floatlines, snow goggles, parkas, sleeping bags, etc.

Oh wait! They find invent those items and more.

Not saying they are going to be on Civ VI or anything but they are a truly remarkable people who adapted and thrived in the harshest environment on earth.

Admittedly, they don't have a prominent leader to use but they could be creative. :)
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These "inventions" are totally irrelevant from the perspective of this game. These are tools for a tribe that is living in arctic. It is impressive that they have been able to live in these harsh conditions, but has nothing to do with the themes of this game. First thing you do in the game is you settle a city. Inuits never settled a city or urban center that could be called city. Agriculture, written language, organised society etc. are what are usually seen as defining factors of a civilized society. I know we already have Civs that dont totally fit this criteria, but that is different discussion.

I dont understand why some people have idea that we should have the most primitive tribes (Inuit and Australian aboriginals) as civilizations in Civilization series. They simply have nothing to do with the themes of the game. Like I said it before this doesnt mean that they are "bad people" or that their way of life is "bad".

In reality tribes like this should be represented by the people we have in a game as "barbarians". We can agree that they should not be called that and they should represented in different way, but that is another discussion.
 
Inhalaattori said:
These "inventions" are totally irrelevant from the perspective of this game. These are tools for a tribe that living in arctic. It is impressive that they have been able to live in these harsh conditions, but has nothing to do with the themes of this game. First thing you do in the game is you settle a city. Inuits never settled a city or urban center that could be called city. Agriculture, written language, organised society etc. are what are usually seen as defining factors of a civilized society.

I dont understand why some people have idea that we should have the most primitive tribes (Inuit and Australian aboriginals) as civilizations in Civilization series. They simply have nothing to do with the themes of the game. Like I said it before this doesnt mean that they are "bad people" or that their way of life is "bad".

In reality tribes like this should be represented by the people we have in a game as "barbarians". We can agree that they should not be called that and they should represented in different way, but that is another discussion.
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a solid fifth of the civs in the game didn’t have written language. You’re telling me the Aztecs and Inca don’t deserve to be in the game?
 
Thenewwwguy said:
a solid fifth of the civs in the game didn’t have written language. You’re telling me the Aztecs and Inca don’t deserve to be in the game?
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"Solid fifth"? That is simply not true.

They had writing systems.I guess maybe I should have not said "written language", but rather "writing system".

And I was just referring to what features are often used to describe first civilizations. Large scale agriculture, written language, organized society... naturally these all are in connection with each other. (First civilizations of Nile valley, Mesopotamia, Indus valley, China, Mesoamerica and Andean region.)
 
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Inhalaattori said:
They had writing systems.

And I was just referring to what features are often used to describe first civilizations. Large scale agriculture, written language, organized society... naturally these all are in connection with each other. (First civilizations of Nile valley, Mesopotamia, Indus valley, China, Mesoamerica and Andean region.)
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ah please, great one, enlighten me on how the aztecs had writing systems.

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The Australian Aboriginals and Inuits are fascinating cultures but they have so many hurdles to being included as full official civs. The Australian Aboriginals for one, like the Tewa Puebloans, almost certainly wouldn't even want to be in the game in the first place due to their sacred cultural practices. The Inuits simply lacked the large urban centers or large congregations of people that most others groups have (definitely understandable when resources are limited). Perhaps something like a city-state or a friendlier version the game's current barbarians (or a more expansionist-minded group of barbarians for the Huns) would work better if possible. If you really wanted a civ with snow bonuses that isn't Russian or Scandinavian (I think the Cree could've had something), you'd have slim but better luck with the Sami, Ainu, one of the larger and more complex Siberian groups like the Yakuts or Chukchis, or perhaps even a Greenland civ.

An alternate history 'what if' Inuit civ could be entertaining, but lets keep in mind that the whole continent of Africa is only just confirmed getting a 6th civ and Native Americans have been lucky to see anything beyond the usual Aztecs, Inca, and Maya (and in the case of Civ 6's Montezuma, not always looking better than what popular culture thinks they look like). The Mapuche and Cree have been pleasant surprises in that regard. Additionally, Africa and the Native Americas are usually seen as being barbaric or uncivilized with mostly loincloth-clad nomads running around and only the rare Inca or Ethiopia being comparable to their Eurasian counterparts. If you didn't look deeper, you'd never know that there are African groups like Benin and Zimbabwe or Native American groups like the Tlingit and Iroquois that did live in large permanent settlements, held considerable influence, etc. Most them could've simply been 1 impressive unifying leader away from forming large nations like the Inca or Ethiopia. I personally think it would be a shame to leave those choices out or put them in after an Inuit civ.

King William I said:
I love native cultures, but at this point if it's not the Mississippians I don't want them. It's a serious oversight that they've never been playable before
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Just to add to what @Eagle Pursuit is saying, it also seems more likely that the Mississippians weren't 1 unified kingdom or empire but were rather a number of kingdoms with a similar culture and technology. As I have heard around elsewhere on the internet, looking at the mounds that stretch from the Atlantic to the Rockies and to then ask for a "Mississippian Civ" would be similar to looking at how much of Europe is covered in churches and then ask for a "Christendom Civ". While the Choctaw, Creek, and Chickasaw would be cool alternatives for a more focused but post-mound building civ from the SE, I'd personally advocate for the Natchez if you want one of the Mississippian mound builders civ in the game. While much more diminished by the time of their wars with the French, they were actually in their ascendancy around the time of De Soto's expedition with a comparatively large and powerful kingdom that dwarfed its neighbors. Emerald Mound was second only to Cahokia's Monk's Mound in size and Quigualtam would make for a good leader.
 
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Thenewwwguy said:
city states having leaders would be great. I really hope they’re more interactive in Civ VII or even in one of the new game modes.
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I would advocate against a leader screem for city-states, only for a meta experience.

My personal lore of the Civ serie is that there was a certain number of Immortal Leaders that were revered by their original tribes as some sort of god or emperor, forming what are called the Civilizations. City-states are those settled tribes/peoples that didn't had the chance of having one of those Immortal Leaders, and thus having less chance to compete in the great geopolitical scheme. Having leaders for City-States and I don't understand anymore why are they city-states and what forbid them to settle more cities except an unexplainable arbitrary rule. I like to imagine my city-states with kings or senates of fleeting people living only a few decades, too little for us, Immortal Rulers, to really care about them.
 
Eagle Pursuit said:
Preview has been updated. Which is likely for the livestream. Interestingly, it's not using a Runner depot, which means the first NFP DLC is actually on one of the currently used depots, and so are any future DLCs the are currently testing too.

So encourage them to open the civilopedia.:satan:
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I don't follow. What are you implying?
 
AntSou said:
I don't follow. What are you implying?
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Back before Civilization VI came out and they were live streaming, someone in the twich chat asked Ed and the other person presenting a question about the leader they were playing as; and they responded by saying "well let's go and see in the Civilopedia!"

They opened up the Civilopedia and went to the list of leaders and scrolled through it mistakenly; showing us exactly who was in the game before they were announced via the first look videos. Both of them looked at each other for a moment before trying to carry on as normal trying to not draw attention to the previously unknown leaders.

It was also that incident that we found out that Gorgo would be in the game instead of the speculated Tamar of Georgia from the leader portrait leak (putting the order or Greece and Georgia down as a clerical error.)
 
I would love if one of the modes did something with the "barbarians" and/or city states. I also hope that in Civ VII they finally try something new with the barbarians - make them more interesting. They could have unique units, could conquer cities, would change through the ages etc.

When it comes to the new Civs I would like to see more African Civs. Ghana, Benin or some other West-African would be a cool addition. Also Morocco led by Kahina could be interesting. I dont think we will see these civs in New Frontier, but in Civ VII they could try to have more representation from Africa.
 
AvianBritish said:
Back before Civilization VI came out and they were live streaming, someone in the twich chat asked Ed and the other person presenting a question about the leader they were playing as; and they responded by saying "well let's go and see in the Civilopedia!"

They opened up the Civilopedia and went to the list of leaders and scrolled through it mistakenly; showing us exactly who was in the game before they were announced via the first look videos. Both of them looked at each other for a moment before trying to carry on as normal trying to not draw attention to the previously unknown leaders.

It was also that incident that we found out that Gorgo would be in the game instead of the speculated Tamar of Georgia from the leader portrait leak (putting the order or Greece and Georgia down as a clerical error.)
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I need to watch that! Please tell me it's on youtube :p

Edit: doesn't seem to be there :(.
 
AntSou said:
I need to watch that! Please tell me it's on youtube :p

Edit: doesn't seem to be there :(.
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I remember watching that during the livestream, it was hilarious.

I tried looking for it but also am having difficulties find it. I did find that it was a Dev livestream in which they played Germany, and it was broadcast 18 August 2016.

https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/all-leader-portraits.570683/page-174 < that's where the CivFanatics posted it first.

Title of the stream
Let's Play Germany Thursday Aug 18 2PM ET
 
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AntSou said:
I need to watch that! Please tell me it's on youtube :p

Edit: doesn't seem to be there :(.
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That was the only live stream they didn't keep up on twitch as a "Past Broadcast" and never uploaded it to Youtube unlike the others because it had that moment in it they were not too proud of. I think most people on here through Ed was going to get the sack for that! Luckly he didn't.

I am sure somewhere on here or Reddit there is a gif of the incident burried in 4 year-old threads; but that's all that remains.
 
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