[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Navelgazer]

I think there's good opportunity for Silk Road via Alt-Leaders from either Kublai Khan or Muhammad al-Mansur.

Kublai's ability could fit with the rest of Mongolia to grant something like +1 strategic resource per turn for every strategic resource in a city in which Mongolia has a trading post.

al-Mansur's ability could be a trading post+road to any city following Arabia's religion and/or combat bonuses against anyone at war with any city Arabia has a trading post in.

 

[Zaarin]

If we’re talking central Asian options, the Kushans could be fun.

That could work. Bactrian isn't superbly attested, but probably enough to write dialogue--or else the leader could speak Yaghnobi. They'd have a good leader in Kanishka, for sure.

I think there's good opportunity for Silk Road via Alt-Leaders from either Kublai Khan or Muhammad al-Mansur.

Since neither Baghdad nor Khanbaliq/Beijing is in Central Asia, that still does nothing for Central Asia.

 

[Navelgazer]

Since neither Baghdad nor Khanbaliq/Beijing is in Central Asia, that still does nothing for Central Asia.

True, neither Capital would be in Central Asia, but either ability (or variation thereof) could be named "Silk Road" and inspired by the trade done within it, and the city lists for those leaders could be reworked to b e biased towards Central Asian cities along those paths. I was really just looking at which existing Civs are designed in such a way that an Alt-leader could fit the concept and also synergize with the rest of the civ design while being historically "accurate". I think either one of these selections would work. But yes, it wouldn't be a Cenrtral Asian "civ" in and of itself.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

This is also why I want Sogdia, not the Timurids, another group of horse-riding steppe invaders.

Certainly Samarkand as one of the premier trade cities in world history deserves some more love. Do we know enough about them? Would they be a sexy enough pick for the developers?

 

[The Kingmaker]

That could work. Bactrian isn't superbly attested, but probably enough to write dialogue--or else the leader could speak Yaghnobi. They'd have a good leader in Kanishka, for sure.

The more I think about it, the more I want it. They’d be completely different from anything we’ve had in the game so far.

 

[SolInvictus]

If we’re talking central Asian options, the Kushans could be fun.

That could work. Bactrian isn't superbly attested, but probably enough to write dialogue--or else the leader could speak Yaghnobi. They'd have a good leader in Kanishka, for sure.

I'm surprised that there hasn’t been more discussion about including them in Civ, but I guess it’s a blind spot in world history curricula generally. For Civ VI, the Kushan could have a mechanic that gave them an edge spreading their religion through trade routes. Kanishka could be a fun animation, especially with the ridiculously long shoes he is generally portrayed as wearing.

 

[ButtBillionaire]

If Firaxis were interested in doing a Sámi civ, they likely wouldn't meet much resistance from the Sámi themselves as long as they are consulted. If they had a problem with it, they likely wouldn't have been represented all but in name in the fairly recent Frozen II, not to mention the times they've been represented in foreign media directly. (like in Klaus, another animated film, where one of the main characters is a small child who only speaks Northern Sámi)

 

[XX36789]

Finland/Sami would also fill up a currently empty spot on the TSL Earth and TSL Europe maps that usually doesn't get settled on.

A Norway vs Sweden vs Finland war in civ would be glorious to behold, snow snipers and ski infantry and all.

 

[Zaarin]

Certainly Samarkand as one of the premier trade cities in world history deserves some more love. Do we know enough about them? Would they be a sexy enough pick for the developers?

Samarkand was the chief city of the Sogdians, who I've been advocating as a civ for years. They have a perfect leader in Alexander the Great's father-in-law, Oxyartes.

I'm surprised that there hasn’t been more discussion about including them in Civ, but I guess it’s a blind spot in world history curricula generally. For Civ VI, the Kushan could have a mechanic that gave them an edge spreading their religion through trade routes. Kanishka could be a fun animation, especially with the ridiculously long shoes he is generally portrayed as wearing.

I've been trying to do some research on Central Asia for a book. It's not easy; there's not a lot in English. I think a lot of people forget it exists or only think of it as "the -stans."

 

[SammyKhalifa]

Samarkand was the chief city of the Sogdians, who I've been advocating as a civ for years. They have a perfect leader in Alexander the Great's father-in-law, Oxyartes.


I've been trying to do some research on Central Asia for a book. It's not easy; there's not a lot in English. I think a lot of people forget it exists or only think of it as "the -stans."

I'll be honest that most/all of what I've read about Samarkand are accounts of how they were conquered by one empire or another. They should have rush bought some walls.

 

[Zaarin]

I'll be honest that most/all of what I've read about Samarkand are accounts of how they were conquered by one empire or another. They should have rush bought some walls.

That tends to happen to rich centers of trade.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Certainly Samarkand as one of the premier trade cities in world history deserves some more love. Do we know enough about them? Would they be a sexy enough pick for the developers?

Samarqand deserves so much love, hence why I’d like to see the Timurids as an equally strong trade and military civ

 

[GenyaArikado]

Why would they choose Lenin’s wife when they could just pick Lenin himself? Also, they won’t have a Soviet Union when Russia is already in the game.

Also, I’d like to weigh in in Italy: Italy is not Rome. Different culture, different time period. But a united Italy is, in my opinion, not a strong candidate compared to Venice/Florence/Genoa etc. The real flourishing of Italian culture came in the Renaissance, so why not pick a civ from the renaissance.

I'd say that if we're going to glorify something like the USSR, at least we should be feminist about it Personally i'd rather not have them.

Moderator Action: Edited your post to bring it within the forum rules. leif

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I'd say that if we're going to glorify something as ****** as the USSR, at least we should be feminist about it Personally i'd rather not have them.

ok let’s avoid politics here, but the USSR wasn’t all bad....

 

[comatosedragon]

I apologize if this has been discussed before.

Civ Pack #5 adds a new Leader to an existing Rise and Fall civilization. India already has two leaders, and most of the other civs don't seem to have any viable alternate leaders, so the new leader has to be for Korea or the Dutch (or less likely Scottland). Am I presumably correct in my assumption? Is this the community consensus?

 

[PhoenicianGold]

The more I think about it, the more I want it. They’d be completely different from anything we’ve had in the game so far.

Am I okay with this? I....think I might be okay with this.

Samarqand deserves so much love, hence why I’d like to see the Timurids as an equally strong trade and military civ

The one negative of the Timurids is that they do seem like they would play very similarly to Mongolia. But at the very least we need a Samarkand CS to satisfy my OCD.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Am I okay with this? I....think I might be okay with this.



The one negative of the Timurids is that they do seem like they would play very similarly to Mongolia. But at the very least we need a Samarkand CS to satisfy my OCD.

i’d imagine the timurids would replace the spying focus on the mongols with a trade focus, but yes

 

[The Kingmaker]

The Kushans would cover most of Afghanistan and Pakistan, which are as yet unrepresented. Definitely a good Silk Road civ. I highly doubt they’re in New Frontier though. Too many popular old favorites missing. But maybe if we advocate for them enough, we might see them in Civ7? Or maybe in New Frontier II? Not that I think the latter is likely either, but a man can dream.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

The Kushans would cover most of Afghanistan and Pakistan, which are as yet unrepresented. Definitely a good Silk Road civ. I highly doubt they’re in New Frontier though. Too many popular old favorites missing. But maybe if we advocate for them enough, we might see them in Civ7? Or maybe in New Frontier II? Not that I think the latter is likely either, but a man can dream.

the Kushans would fit in nicely as an alternative to the Mughals and Ghaznavids, more popular and more often requested civs which presumably won’t appear due to the addition of Lahore as a city state. It’s possible.

 

[SolInvictus]

I've been trying to do some research on Central Asia for a book. It's not easy; there's not a lot in English. I think a lot of people forget it exists or only think of it as "the -stans."

The Kushan are on the outer edge of my thesis’s concentration topic—not to mention the production hell locked book based on it--and I also was commission to redesign the world history curriculum at my first teaching job where I added the Kushan Empire, Kanishka, and Vasudeva I along with contextualizing Taxila and the Greco-Buddhist art of Gandhara to reflect the addition. I have titles from footnotes and some pdf journal articles if you are interested—though it’s not much.

The Kushans would cover most of Afghanistan and Pakistan, which are as yet unrepresented. Definitely a good Silk Road civ. I highly doubt they’re in New Frontier though. Too many popular old favorites missing. But maybe if we advocate for them enough, we might see them in Civ7? Or maybe in New Frontier II? Not that I think the latter is likely either, but a man can dream.

Advocating for them is worth a shot.