[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

Do you suppose they would do Portugal with a Great Admiral parallel to Bolivar's Comandantes? Like a Unique Great Admiral with unusual and powerful retirement bonuses that are metered out over the course of the game?
Possibly I could see them getting a Great Explorer or they could go with the name Great Navigator. The only Portuguese Great Admiral we have in the game is Magellan but he is more famous for serving the Spanish during his circumnavigation trip.

Also if they do go for Trung Trac with Vietnam I could also see them making Trung Nhi a unique Great General from the beginning of the game.
 
Theodora for Byzantium is what Occam's Razor would suggest. I don't think we'll get another female mesoamerican leader - the best female options here are Jigonsahsee for the Iroquois, which... good, but how do you distinguish them from the Cree?, and Anacaona for the Taino (which is a very, VERY dark horse).

Other options i could see are Berbers/Morocco (who have two choices - Sayyida al-Hurra and Tahina), Austria (Maria Theresa) and the Hittites (Puduhepa). And then we get to the more obscure picks such as Matilda di Canossa for Italy (unlikely - we already have CdM) and Grace O'Malley for Ireland (again unlikely - if Ireland are in, I would except they are led Brian Boru)

I'm not saying that we are guaranteed to get Trung Trac for Vietnam and Theodora for Byzantium. But, based on the very little that we know, I would assume those are our female choices.
i don’t see the taino this pack game since one of their major cities was added as a city state in the Maya/GC pack. Perhaps in another pack if we get them, or in Civ 7
 
Personally, I think Puduhepa would make an amazing leader in Civ 6. She reminds me a lot of Gitarja, in a way. Puduhepa had a lot of political power and influence, not only during the reign of her husband but also during the reign of their son. She was known as a goddess-queen and worked tirelessly to organize and streamline the Hittite religious system. She was also an important diplomat and "wrote" frequent letters to other Mesopotamian monarchs, especially those in Egypt. She also told Ramesses II off for underestimating the influence of Babylon :p
 
Personally, I think Puduhepa would make an amazing leader in Civ 6. She reminds me a lot of Gitarja, in a way. Puduhepa had a lot of political power and influence, not only during the reign of her husband but also during the reign of their son. She was known as a goddess-queen and worked tirelessly to organize and streamline the Hittite religious system. She was also an important diplomat and "wrote" frequent letters to other Mesopotamian monarchs, especially those in Egypt. She also told Ramesses II off for underestimating the influence of Babylon :p
she was also a temple priestess and good friends with Nefertari. Hands down fits the bill for a Civ 6 leader.

If only they respected the Hittites more. :(
 
Theodora for Byzantium is what Occam's Razor would suggest. I don't think we'll get another female mesoamerican leader - the best female options here are Jigonsahsee for the Iroquois, which... good, but how do you distinguish them from the Cree?...

Pretty easily. They could do a retread of Civ V's 'forest bonus' Iroquois. They could do a revamp of the Venice 'Peaceful City State capture' as some sort of 'Iroquois Confederacy' ability. Jigonhsasee's could have a diplo bonus, a unit healing bonus, etc. There's a lot they could do.

But I'd agree that it's likely Theodora (with Trung Truc as basically a shoe-in at this point with the readme 'leak') and I'd lean towards the suggestion that a different NA group - likely the Navajo - being included instead of the Iroquois.
 
I know that based on Shakespearean research, that Elizabeth would probably sound more like Robert the Bruce than the modern RP we heard in Civ5.
No, Elizabethan English is a form of Modern English and sounds much more like Modern English than it does any dialect of Middle English (particularly the Northumbrian Middle English Robert the Bruce speaks). It would sound more like stage Irish than RP, though.

Meanwhile, Washington sounded like GWB in that game, when his accent was almost certainly more British-Inflected.
Washington's accent was reasonably accurate; Southern accents are quite conservative.

the best female options here are Jigonsahsee for the Iroquois, which... good, but how do you distinguish them from the Cree?
By making them a heavy-handed Dom civ that redistributes population when they raze a city thanks to their Mourning Wars CUA, while on the homefront they get a production and faith bonus from their Granary-replacing longhouses and unpillageable farms that produce extra food thanks to their Three Sisters LUA. Their UU, meanwhile, is a Musketman replacement, because it was gunpowder that made them a superpower. The Cree can complain that conquest is a "European" value, but the Iroquois believe otherwise. Or just ditch Jigonhsasee for Red Jacket, Joseph Brandt, or Cornplanter and get a bonus to alliance points with civilizations at war with your allies and reduced diplomatic penalties for razing cities. The Iroquois were all about maintaining conflicting alliances (like Bismarck) to keep their rivals off kilter, and they were the terrors of every tribe from the Carolinas to Newfoundland, and from the Atlantic Seaboard to the Great Lakes. Many people don't realize that the Sioux, for instance, were an agricultural tribe in the Great Lakes before the Iroquois drove them onto the Plain.

They could do a revamp of the Venice 'Peaceful City State capture' as some sort of 'Iroquois Confederacy' ability.
Uh..."peaceful capture" and "Iroquois" do not really belong in the same sentence together. :mischief:
 
Tuscarora incorporation CA which allows you to incorporate any 1 city state within 10 tiles of your capital for a cost of 600 gold or something
 
Tuscarora incorporation CA which allows you to incorporate any 1 city state within 10 tiles of your capital for a cost of 600 gold or something
Sure, the Iroquois adopted a number of tribes, some ravaged by the European settlers (like the Tuscarora--the only ones to get full membership--or the Catawba) and some that they themselves had ravaged (like the Huron), but that's basically what I was suggesting be represented by adding population from razed cities. They were still among the most fierce and aggressive powers in the region; I really don't see them playing at all similarly to Poundmaker's "let's all be friends" agenda.
 
Sure, the Iroquois adopted a number of tribes, some ravaged by the European settlers (like the Tuscarora--the only ones to get full membership--or the Catawba) and some that they themselves had ravaged (like the Huron), but that's basically what I was suggesting be represented by adding population from razed cities. They were still among the most fierce and aggressive powers in the region; I really don't see them playing at all similarly to Poundmaker's "let's all be friends" agenda.
at least that offers some space for differnrtiation
 
Pretty easily. They could do a retread of Civ V's 'forest bonus' Iroquois. They could do a revamp of the Venice 'Peaceful City State capture' as some sort of 'Iroquois Confederacy' ability. Jigonhsasee's could have a diplo bonus, a unit healing bonus, etc. There's a lot they could do.
I think an Italian civ has more of a chance at a peacefully capturing city states.
As far as an Iroquois Confederacy ability goes I can possibly see you being granted new units, both combat and civilian, when destroying barbarian outposts if you want to view those as other "tribes".
Maybe even convert them to your side with missionaries instead of using Boudicca or an Apostle with the heathen conversion promotion.
 
As far as an Iroquois Confederacy ability goes I can possibly see you being granted new units, both combat and civilian, when destroying barbarian outposts if you want to view those as other "tribes".
Seems OP, given a Barbarian Camp is much easier to take than a city. Also some of the tribes the Iroquois warred against were urbanized, like the Huron-Wyandot and the Erie. Not to mention they also warred at various times against the French and English as well.
 
Seems OP, given a Barbarian Camp is much easier to take than a city. Also some of the tribes the Iroquois warred against were urbanized, like the Huron-Wyandot and the Erie. Not to mention they also warred at various times against the French and English as well.
That was just off the top of my head as it could be a % chance sort of like the Eagle Warrior's ability of converting units into builders.
Alternatively it could deal with tribal villages too. I just don't think annexing city-states is the way to go either if you wanted to recreate an Iroquois Confederacy into a civ ability.
I can't believe you called barbarians not urbanized when they clearly have buildings in their outposts and a seemingly high population pumping out all of those units. :p
 
I just don't think annexing city-states is the way to go either if you wanted to recreate an Iroquois Confederacy into a civ ability.
I don't either. That's why I suggested bonus population from razing cities (which still leaves open the possibility of population from capturing cities for the Assyrians :mischief: ).

I can't believe you called barbarians not urbanized when they clearly have buildings in their outposts and a seemingly high population pumping out all of those units. :p
Also the magical ability to convert sheep and cattle into horses. :shifty:
 
I don't either. That's why I suggested bonus population from razing cities (which still leaves open the possibility of population from capturing cities for the Assyrians :mischief: ).
I like the idea of a free settler when you conquer a city for Assyria based off of their history of mass deportation, but I'm not sure if that would be OP either.
Also the magical ability to convert sheep and cattle into horses. :shifty:
Do they spawn horseman and horse archers in range of sheep and cattle too? I didn't know that.
 
Yar, I don’t know much of anything about old Chinese. I know that based on Shakespearean research, that Elizabeth would probably sound more like Robert the Bruce than the modern RP we heard in Civ5. Meanwhile, Washington sounded like GWB in that game, when his accent was almost certainly more British-Inflected. All this to say that, absent objections from Vietnamese fans, I’m fine with the Trung Sisters speaking an older Vietnamese.

Mind you I haven't done any followup research to confirm this, but I recently learned from a linguist that the British accent has changed significantly over the last couple of centuries. Apparently, the modern American accent is closer to a historical British accent than is the modern British accent.
 
That was just off the top of my head as it could be a % chance sort of like the Eagle Warrior's ability of converting units into builders.
Alternatively it could deal with tribal villages too. I just don't think annexing city-states is the way to go either if you wanted to recreate an Iroquois Confederacy into a civ ability.
I can't believe you called barbarians not urbanized when they clearly have buildings in their outposts and a seemingly high population pumping out all of those units. :p

Yeah any 'City-State' ability would be ideally Italian, I'm just thinking of the Civ 6 city states as stand-in for 'NPC Minor Nations' in this context. As a lot of them were never actual 'city states' so to speak. Leaning more into 'confederacy of independent nations' more than 'assimilate conquered peoples'.

But I think my ideal would would be more something like perma-suzerainship than annexing. Say loyalty pressure essentially translates to envoys for nearby CSes, and once they become suzerain, they gain permanent suzerainship benefits and the ability to levy troops for free or something along those lines. Other civs could still send envoys to gain benefits from the CS as well but never be top dog. But that probably also works better for a theoretical Italian Civ!
 
Personally, I think Puduhepa would make an amazing leader in Civ 6. She reminds me a lot of Gitarja, in a way. Puduhepa had a lot of political power and influence, not only during the reign of her husband but also during the reign of their son. She was known as a goddess-queen and worked tirelessly to organize and streamline the Hittite religious system. She was also an important diplomat and "wrote" frequent letters to other Mesopotamian monarchs, especially those in Egypt. She also told Ramesses II off for underestimating the influence of Babylon :p

Puduhepa would be a really great choice. I’m not sure how much attention the forum fans would have to give the Hittites to see them return, though. They’re not exactly in high demand in the wider community.

I’m really not expecting to see them in NFP, and probably not even in a Final Frontier pass, if we’re lucky enough to get one.
 
Puduhepa would be a really great choice. I’m not sure how much attention the forum fans would have to give the Hittites to see them return, though. They’re not exactly in high demand in the wider community.

I’m really not expecting to see them in NFP, and probably not even in a Final Frontier pass, if we’re lucky enough to get one.
the hittites are probably the most requested civ among the history nerd section of their audience, while the more casual section of the audience is the side which has massively asked for civs that Firaxis has actually listened to (i.e. Brazil, Siam, Indonesia, Colombia and now Vietnam, Italy, and to a lesser extent, Afghanistan). Notice how nearly all of the civ’s requested by the greater audience are modern countries?

Basically, the civs popular among the history buffs, like the Hittites, Timurids, even the Assyrians, aren’t really going to be heeded to cuz we’re a relatively small aspect of the audience
 
Mind you I haven't done any followup research to confirm this, but I recently learned from a linguist that the British accent has changed significantly over the last couple of centuries. Apparently, the modern American accent is closer to a historical British accent than is the modern British accent.

Not all American accents, but certain Southern accents are close. The British (most of them, anyway) didn't start dropping their rhotic sounds until the 1820s.

You would be able to discern Elizabethan English pronounciation pretty well. But the grammar and the meanings of various words were a bit different and it would likely take some time to get used to it. I've been following a "livetweeting" of Samuel Pepys's diary (circa 1660s) and it's mostly followable, but sometimes his sentence structures or the way he uses words can be confusing. And he likes to switch to a mongrel French/Spanish/Italian mix when confessing his infidelities.
 
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