[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[8housesofelixir]

Now, the presence of Georgia and Nubia, for example, is a reminder that Firaxis does pay attention to what we history nerds want, too, but I foresee them playing it safe with civ choices in NFP--focusing on civs they know will sell well.

IMHO Firaxis also have the need to consider civ design, game mechanics, and balance, when adding new civs. In terms of results, Nubia is beginner-friendly for players and formidable as AI, while Georgia kind of remains a meme.

 

[Xandinho]

I suspect the September double pack will be like the Maya/Gran Colombia pack, one series regular plus another civ that's either new or not a series regular and relates to the series regular it's paired with by either regional proximity or historic interaction.

So is it Portugal/X, Byzantines/X, or Babylon/X?

I'm betting on a package from the Middle East, with Byzantine + Babylon/Assyria. Especially that in this pack there will be new wonders, so I expect the Statue of Zeus there.

 

[Lord Lakely]

I could actually see that as being very likely (that a second pass would be bolder, with riskier choices): if New Frontier is testing the water, they want to sell as many units as possible; if Final Frontier is the last round of content, there's less to hold them back from making riskier choices.

People keep throwing this "Final Frontier Pass" idea around but is there any confirmation we'll see such a thing or is it merely wishful thinking.

 

[SMcM]

which wouldn’t be wrong, it would be equally weird to make Charlemagne a leader of france too, in my opinion.

In the case of the Kievan Rus, it’s existence led to the developments of both modern Russia and Ukraine, so I think them being their own civ OR an alt for Russia are both acceptable

Yeah, I never said I'd advocate Charlemagne leading France. But the Frankish realm was key in the development of both Germany and France. I think Kievan Rus would have to be it's own civilization imo, it would just be bizarre as part of Russia imo. It's territory overlaps a lot with modern Ukraine and it's an equally important part of Ukraine's history.

 

[SirMediocrity]

People keep throwing this "Final Frontier Pass" idea around but is there any confirmation we'll see such a thing or is it merely wishful thinking.

It's mainly just wishful thinking at the moment. If civs like Babylon, Portugal, or Byzantium end up absent from New Frontier, that would be a possible indicator of Final Frontier.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

It's mainly just wishful thinking at the moment. If civs like Babylon, Portugal, or Byzantium end up absent from New Frontier, that would be a possible indicator of Final Frontier.

It seems like a second set of material would be stretching things so, so thin though.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

People keep throwing this "Final Frontier Pass" idea around but is there any confirmation we'll see such a thing or is it merely wishful thinking.

There's no confirmation yet, but it is a logical possibility. NFP is another step towards a GaaS business model, which requires selling periodic updates to existing products rather than developing new products.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

People keep throwing this "Final Frontier Pass" idea around but is there any confirmation we'll see such a thing or is it merely wishful thinking.

Isn't everything at this point merely wishful thinking?

Even if we get a Final Frontier I don't personally think it will be as extensive as this. Maybe at max 4 more civs and a new leader obviously for Egypt assuming Kublai would lead China too.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I suspect the September double pack will be like the Maya/Gran Colombia pack, one series regular plus another civ that's either new or not a series regular and relates to the series regular it's paired with by either regional proximity or historic interaction.

So is it Portugal/X, Byzantines/X, or Babylon/X?

I’d say Babylon/Assyria or Babylon/Hittites, or perhaps Byzantines/Portugal (which would pretty much anti-confirm getting two mesopotamian or mesopotamian-adjacent civs)

People keep throwing this "Final Frontier Pass" idea around but is there any confirmation we'll see such a thing or is it merely wishful thinking.

Rn it’s mostly wishful thinking but if NF does well there’s a good chance it might happen

It seems like a second set of material would be stretching things so, so thin though.

I’d ideally like to see it get cheaper and have just the civs, or even better, stay the same price and pack more civs in.

Im assuming civ production cost is cheaper now since their designs are largely reskins of existing leaders, so that might allow for the content to mostly to completely just be more civs

 

[TeddyMain]

I suspect the September double pack will be like the Maya/Gran Colombia pack, one series regular plus another civ that's either new or not a series regular and relates to the series regular it's paired with by either regional proximity or historic interaction.

So is it Portugal/X, Byzantines/X, or Babylon/X?

I can see this being the Euro-centric pack, with both Portugal (the series regular) and Italy (a fan-favorite new civ).

If we get Babylon, I feel like they'll be in the following pack as a standalone civ.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I can see this being the Euro-centric pack, with both Portugal (the series regular) and Italy (a fan-favorite new civ).

If we get Babylon, I feel like they'll be in the following pack as a standalone civ.

if we got Portugal + Italy/Ireland/Goths/Non-Byz European civ, we’d have 3 european civs in the pack assuming the Byz get in. That kinda worries me in terms of what else we’ll see

 

[Lord Lakely]

Well thishful winkers, you're only deluding yourself with your greed. The New Frontier will be the final one as far as we're concerned, so let is stop assuming it's anything else until proven otherwise

 

[Zaarin]

I know this doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things, especially due to shifting paradigms, but I'd like to point out that the Hittites, Sumer, and Babylon were all in Civ 3 (with no Assyria).

True, but I'm really hopeful to see Assyria after it was well-received in Civ5.

I'm expecting either Portugal and Italy, or Portugal and a north African civ.

I'd love to see the Berbers in some variety so that would work well for me.

IMHO Firaxis also have the need to consider civ design, game mechanics, and balance, when adding new civs.

Yes, but that doesn't mean that there is an infinite list of possible civs they would assign to those mechanics, not to mention that the vast majority of civs have many, many different directions they could be made to go (cf. how we have a cultural wonder-building China in Civ6 versus Civ5's militarist China).

People keep throwing this "Final Frontier Pass" idea around but is there any confirmation we'll see such a thing or is it merely wishful thinking.

Well thishful winkers, you're only deluding yourself with your greed. The New Frontier will be the final one as far as we're concerned, so let is stop assuming it's anything else until proven otherwise

There's no proof, but I think it makes sense to assume that Firaxis is using NFP as a test. Granted, we'll only get more if NFP performs well, but I think it's safe to assume they have ideas. You don't plan for failure.

 

[TeddyMain]

if we got Portugal + Italy/Ireland/Goths/Non-Byz European civ, we’d have 3 european civs in the pack assuming the Byz get in. That kinda worries me in terms of what else we’ll see

I can see where you are coming from, but I'm under the impression that the Civ selection for this pass is going to follow the standard formula for the previous expansion passes (4 new civs, 4 returning, 1 alt leader), and that we'll get only one returning European civ and one new (R&F: Netherlands(R) and Scotland (N), GS: Sweden (R) and Hungary (N)).

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Yes, but that doesn't mean that there is an infinite list of possible civs they would assign to those mechanics, not to mention that the vast majority of civs have many, many different directions they could be made to go (cf. how we have a cultural wonder-building China in Civ6 versus Civ5's militarist China).

Just like they decided to design a tall civ and for some reason they though it fit the Maya the best.
And we can't forget hill mongering Ethiopia.

I can see where you are coming from, but I'm under the impression that the Civ selection for this pass is going to follow the standard formula for the previous expansion passes (4 new civs, 4 returning, 1 alt leader), and that we'll get only one returning European civ and one new (R&F: Netherlands(R) and Scotland (N), GS: Sweden (R) and Hungary (N)).

I agree. That's why I'm not going to assume we are definitely going to get both the Byzantines or Portugal in NFP, unless they want to count the Byzantines as Middle Eastern for some reason?

 

[Slayan]

My wish is that for these new monthly are ones we haven't seen in any Civ game instead of the same ones over and over

 

[Thenewwwguy]

My wish is that for these new monthly are ones we haven't seen in any Civ game instead of the same ones over and over

me too. me too.

But legit, like I mentioned earlier, I’m hoping that in a FF, they’ll go ahead and make a lot of civ updates and then give us mainly new civs.

Like, for example, things they could do are:

introduce the mughals and chola in civ, split india into the Republic of India and the Maurya and give the Maurya a new leader ability

Update the Khmer, give them a Baray LUI/UI

Make Gaja Madah a LU Gov for Gitarja

Rework Kupe’s leader ability to focus elsewhere, and give his exploration/starting at sea ability to Tonga

Arabia alt-leader in either Harun al-Rashid or Shajar al-Durr (and break up the abilities relating to science/faith and faith/war and split them up between Saladin and al-Rashid if we get him)

Alongside the Chola, Arabia alt-leader and Mughals, bring in the Swahili, Tonga, Hittites, Ireland, Guarani, Tlingit

Fix major bugs, balance civs (weaken the really powerful ones, buff really weak ones—notably Georgia and Mapuche)

Add a plague game mechanic, as well as a colonization game mechanic.

Then announce a third season pass with Yemen, Shona, Timurids/Gurkhani, Iroquois (if it’s not already in), Muisca, Italy (assuming it isn’t in)/Byzantines (assuming it isn’t in), Berbers, Burma, and an alt leader for Russia, Germany or Japan (assuming Lublai also reps china)

ofc, this would never happen, but if it did...

 

[Zaarin]

Just like they decided to design a tall civ and for some reason they though it fit the Maya the best.
And we can't forget hill mongering Ethiopia.

TBH both of those designs make a lot of sense to me. I actually prefer Civ6's unique Mayan design to Civ5's Uber Science Maya. As for Ethiopia, I'm not sure what exactly one would do with it beyond turtling, faith, and hills. (Though Menelik hating you for settling on hills is dumb. )

My wish is that for these new monthly are ones we haven't seen in any Civ game instead of the same ones over and over

I think you're going to be disappointed. We'll see a few highly requested new civs like Gran Colombia and Vietnam, but I expect to see mostly staples.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

TBH both of those designs make a lot of sense to me. I actually prefer Civ6's unique Mayan design to Civ5's Uber Science Maya. As for Ethiopia, I'm not sure what exactly one would do with it beyond turtling, faith, and hills. (Though Menelik hating you for settling on hills is dumb. )


I think you're going to be disappointed. We'll see a few highly requested new civs like Gran Colombia and Maya, but I expect to see mostly staples.

the maya aren’t a new civ

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

TBH both of those designs make a lot of sense to me. I actually prefer Civ6's unique Mayan design to Civ5's Uber Science Maya. As for Ethiopia, I'm not sure what exactly one would do with it beyond turtling, faith, and hills. (Though Menelik hating you for settling on hills is dumb. )

Yeah it can work but then again Babylon could have easily been the tall science civ. I guess that mean's they are going with Assyria.

I can understand the rock-hewn churches needing hills but they went a little overboard with the agenda which was my main point.