John Adams was brilliant, principled, and extremely colorful--his rage fits would be reason enough to include him. I don't have a high opinion of His Imperial Highness Abraham, By Grace of Manifest Destiny King of America; America has plenty of choices of leaders who were both better leaders and more interesting characters. I was very grateful that Civ6 broke the Lincoln-Washington loop, and as far as I'm concerned it can stay broken.
Alright, we can agree to disagree here. Lincoln is a popular choice, although he is known primarily for the Civil War and somewhat nothing else. Perhaps Jefferson would be a good addition?
I have no objection to him, but his reputation has become controversial in the general public lately. I'm not a fan of catering to every public sentiment, but Firaxis' marketing department might think otherwise.
John Adams was brilliant, principled, and extremely colorful--his rage fits would be reason enough to include him. I don't have a high opinion of His Imperial Highness Abraham, By Grace of Manifest Destiny King of America; America has plenty of choices of leaders who were both better leaders and more interesting characters. I was very grateful that Civ6 broke the Lincoln-Washington loop, and as far as I'm concerned it can stay broken.
Call it what it is: the Reign of Lincoln. He has four appearances (I through IV) to two by Washington (IV and V) and one by each Roosevelt (IV for Frank and VI for Teddy). If we add the CivRevs it's six for Lincoln, and JFK also adds one.
That said I'm not sure which other president I'd use. Adams being a one-term president really works against him (as that's generally not perceived as a sign of success), and Jefferson, as Zaarin mention, is maybe not the choice best suited to the current social and political climate, due to the controversy surrounding his relation with slavery and especially with one particular slave.
I know he wasn't necessarily a leader of the U.S. but if we want to go with someone with a big personality, his second cousin Samuel Adams would work better.
Alright, we can agree to disagree here. Lincoln is a popular choice, although he is known primarily for the Civil War and somewhat nothing else. Perhaps Jefferson would be a good addition?
Despite the controversy the leader abilities could be interesting. At least the Manifest Destiny ability from Civ 5 would work with him and maybe even special recon units for exploration.
Still Jefferson is a better pick in my opinion over someone like Andrew Jackson.
Fair, but not all Civ leaders are known for their long rules. Jadwiga died at 25, for instance. John Adams had a long political career outside his presidency. I still think he's a long shot, but he's become a lot more popular in the twentieth and twenty-first centuries, especially thanks to his hardline stance against slavery, his lifelong and early support of the nascent abolition movement, and his relationship with his wife Abigail Adams, probably the most influential woman in early American politics. (Abigail Adams was actually called "Madam President" during Adams's presidency; he consulted her on all of his policy decisions.) Adams probably would have been reelected were it not for the Alien and Sedition Acts, which he didn't personally support but also didn't veto as he felt it was the will of the people.
I know he wasn't necessarily a leader of the U.S. but if we want to go with someone with a big personality, his second cousin Samuel Adams would work better.
Call it what it is: the Reign of Lincoln. He has four appearances (I through IV) to two by Washington (IV and V) and one by each Roosevelt (IV for Frank and VI for Teddy). If we add the CivRevs it's six for Lincoln, and JFK also adds one.
That said I'm not sure which other president I'd use. Adams being a one-term president really works against him (as that's generally not perceived as a sign of success), and Jefferson, as Zaarin mention, is maybe not the choice best suited to the current social and political climate, due to the controversy surrounding his relation with slavery and especially with one particular slave.
I personally like Adams. He was the only founding father president who didn’t own slaves, and he was key in both the pre and post independence eras to keep the country together. Washington and Lincoln remain the go-to picks for a reason. They’re the only presidents who lack a widespread air of controversy among some large group of people (and even they have their problems or negative views, but their accomplishments tend to overshadow that—Even vehemently anti-american leaders like Lenin, Mao and Castro looked up to Lincoln, for example)
Jackson would me hands down be there worst possible choice. Almost every president is hated by some foreign population due to their various intervention events and war crimes but few are as reviled within the US, and no other president was as personally responsible for the genocide against the indigenous peoples of America.
At least the Manifest Destiny ability from Civ 5 would work with him and maybe even special recon units for exploration.
Still Jefferson is a better pick in my opinion over someone like Andrew Jackson.
Do you mean James Polk? He's the true frontrunner of Manifest Destiny, good sir, and acquired for America Oregon and Texas, the very state you are from.
Do you mean James Polk? He's the true frontrunner of Manifest Destiny, good sir, and acquired for America Oregon and Texas, the very state you are from.
He's referring to the Louisiana Purchase, which more than doubled the size of the United States. Yes, Polk coined the term Manifest Destiny, but the idea arguably originated in Jefferson's Louisiana Purchase.
Do you mean James Polk? He's the true frontrunner of Manifest Destiny, good sir, and acquired for America Oregon and Texas, the very state you are from.
He's referring to the Louisiana Purchase, which more than doubled the size of the United States. Yes, Polk coined the term Manifest Destiny, but the idea arguably originated in Jefferson's Louisiana Purchase.
Actually, Harrison was one of our best presidents - he didn't live long enough to make any mistakes (I believe it was 30 days from Inauguration to Death Bed, a record that deserves to be broken by some of the later White House denisens)
By that criteria, I suggest Millard Fillmore: a completely non-controversial Presidential pick, because no one can remember anything that he did.
Actually, Harrison was one of our best presidents - he didn't live long enough to make any mistakes (I believe it was 30 days from Inauguration to Death Bed, a record that deserves to be broken by some of the later White House denisens)
WHH had a sketchy pre-presidential history, though. Something about intentionally antagonizing the Pawnees and other Native Americans of the Old Northwest to enhance his political career and inflating a minor skirmish at Prophetstown into the Battle of the Century, followed by horrendously mismanaging the War of 1812.
WHH had a sketchy pre-presidential history, though. Something about intentionally antagonizing the Pawnees and other Native Americans of the Old Northwest to enhance his political career and inflating a minor skirmish at Prophetstown into the Battle of the Century, followed by horrendously mismanaging the War of 1812.
I would argue that horrendously mismanaging the War of 1812 is not a barrier to including him: almost everybody on both sides mismanaged that war . . .
I would argue that horrendously mismanaging the War of 1812 is not a barrier to including him: almost everybody on both sides mismanaged that war . . .
Sir Isaac Brock seemed competent--until he got recalled and replaced with Henry Procter. But yeah, the War of 1812 was just an absolute mess for everyone.
Sir Isaac Brock seemed competent--until he got recalled and replaced with Henry Procter. But yeah, the War of 1812 was just an absolute mess for everyone.
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I don't have a high opinion of His Imperial Highness Abraham, By Grace of Manifest Destiny King of America; America has plenty of choices of leaders who were both better leaders and more interesting characters. I was very grateful that Civ6 broke the Lincoln-Washington loop, and as far as I'm concerned it can stay broken.
Perhaps Jefferson would be a good addition?
