[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Lord Lakely]

He does recycle Genghis' idle animations, but has a unique denounce animation.

Don't worry, Basil makes up for it by having the worst hair and some of the wonkiest facial textures out of any character model. (so bad that I think he's a highkey contender for worst character model in Civ 6)

 

[Zaarin]

Don't worry, Basil makes up for it by having the worst hair and some of the wonkiest facial textures out of any character model. (so bad that I think he's a highkey contender for worst character model in Civ 6)

No, he's second worst--Kublai Khan will not be outdone.

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

Don't worry, Basil makes up for it by having the worst hair and some of the wonkiest facial textures out of any character model. (so bad that I think he's a highkey contender for worst character model in Civ 6)

I think Basil's hair and beard are just made out of pure awesomeness. I like it.

 

[Zaarin]

I think Basil's hair and beard are just made out of pure awesomeness. I like it.

He looks like a 20-year-old with old man brows and beard.

 

[Lord Lakely]

He looks like an animé character, lol. Basil II, that is.

 

[Kimiimaro]

When it comes to NFP leader models... Hammurabi's eyes scare me. There's just something so off about them

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I'd be fine ending the game after one more half-pass tbh.

There's more to add, sure, but I feel like the game would be more-or-less "complete" after just four more civs.

• Maghreb civ (e.g. Morocco, Berbers, etc.)
• American civ (e.g. Navajo, Iroquois, etc.)
• Ancient civ (e.g. Hittites, Assyria, etc.)
• Portugal

If one of these is the last NFP civ, then just replace it with a free space for something like another South American civ or a Venice replacement or whatever. And if you want to continue the trend of every expansion having an alt-leader, throw Egypt a Hatshepsut-shaped bone.

Done, roster complete, move on to Civ 7 now.

I agree that if they do another season it won't be a full eight civs and nine leaders and might look similar to this.

He looks like an animé character, lol. Basil II, that is.

Well it's not out of character to have anime characters in their 20s with white hair.

 

[SMcM]

Don't worry, Basil makes up for it by having the worst hair and some of the wonkiest facial textures out of any character model. (so bad that I think he's a highkey contender for worst character model in Civ 6)

wdym by wonky facial textures?

 

[Lord Lakely]

wdym by wonky facial textures?

The way his face moves, is so weird? There's some weird pod person/invasion of the body snatchers thing going on - the locomotion is just all wrong. This is especially apparent when he hates you and gives you the world's most doe-eyed stinkeye.

When it comes to NFP leader models... Hammurabi's eyes scare me. There's just something so off about them

Tarantula eyebrows were very much in vogue in ancient times (though if Firaxis really wanted to chalk up historical accuracy they should've went for unibrows )

 

[ehecatzin]

I'd be fine ending the game after one more half-pass tbh.

There's more to add, sure, but I feel like the game would be more-or-less "complete" after just four more civs.

• Maghreb civ (e.g. Morocco, Berbers, etc.)
• American civ (e.g. Navajo, Iroquois, etc.)
• Ancient civ (e.g. Hittites, Assyria, etc.)
• Portugal

If one of these is the last NFP civ, then just replace it with a free space for something like another South American civ or a Venice replacement or whatever. And if you want to continue the trend of every expansion having an alt-leader, throw Egypt a Hatshepsut-shaped bone.

Done, roster complete, move on to Civ 7 now.

I think there's space for another season pass TBH, there are still areas that could use the same treatment barbarians and corporations are getting in this one, extended diplomacy (vasals and spheres of influence) colonies/settlements, more impactful ideologies.

There's still a lot of improvement that could be made graphically, map feature variety and city graphics, tho mods are doing a great job of covering this up.

civ wise I agree with your listing, Sub-Saharan Africa could use more love, and...I still want to see India broken up. If Mexico is doomed to never appear, I hope that at least we could get a more fleshed out mesoamerica, I still can't believe they haven't used the Purepecha yet, with female leader to boot.

Alt-leaders are also a good option, I've resigned myself to seeing recicled animations now, so why not go all in?, as you mention Egypt could use another one, I would presonally like to see a Republican leader for Rome, and there's a whole bunch of civs that could use another leader.

 

[BD123]

No, he's second worst--Kublai Khan will not be outdone.

Did we all forget the absolute downgrade that is Civ 6's Alexander the Great to Civ 5's? They did my man so foul

f Mexico is doomed to never appear, I hope that at least we could get a more fleshed out mesoamerica, I still can't believe they haven't used the Purepecha yet, with female leader to boot.

I'm surprised the Olmec haven't made an official appearance yet, though we do have La Venta. I'd be fine with Mexico maybe in Civ 7 but I think 6 is over-filled with colonial civs as is. The Zapotec would be another mesoamerican contender (off the top of my head). The Maghreb needs some love, whether it be Morocco or the Berbers. We also only have three Islamic civilizations (Arabia, Mali, and the Ottomans) but I think there is space for at least one more like Oman or if they wanted to be real funky add Al-Andalus as a separate civ, using the Arabic names for cities to differentiate it from Spain's list. Preferably I'd like to see Arabia semi-deblobbed, have Saladin as a militaristic leader and have Harun al-Rashid with a House of Wisdom LUA or something. As is, Civ 6 Arabia isn't even in Arabia since Saladin's capital is in Egypt lol

Not to mention that I wasn’t particularly interested in any of the new civs besides vietnam (which turned out to have a design which i thought was fairly lacking, with no water puppet theatre over yet another encampment replacement)

I actually think Vietnam is one of the more creatively designed civs from a pack of so-so civs, they were able to capture a sense of a defensive turtle civ without it being over-bearing or veering too much into "Vietnam, but like really the American experience" kind of theme. The encampment replacement is meh but in hindsight I'm liking it a bit better than the Water Puppet Theatre only bc I imagine the WPT would be a building replacement and building replacements are all so boring and weak. They really should just go all out and have everyone get a unique UI or UD in the future.

 

[Zaarin]

Did we all forget the absolute downgrade that is Civ 6's Alexander the Great to Civ 5's? They did my man so foul

Alex has an incredibly punchable face, which is on point--though he does look a bit like a melted Ken doll...Kublai, Basil, Menelik, and Gandhi are all still much worse, though.

I'm surprised the Olmec haven't made an official appearance yet

No leaders. No language. No city names. Like the Harappa and Minoans, they're an important civ whose details have been lost to history and are therefore virtually impossible to depict in a game like Civ. The Olmecs and Harappa are in Humankind, however, and I'm hopeful the Minoans will join them at some point as well (TBH I would have preferred the Minoans to the Mycenae in the first place).

The Zapotec would be another mesoamerican contender (off the top of my head).

Zapotec or Mixtec would be great.

As is, Civ 6 Arabia isn't even in Arabia since Saladin's capital is in Egypt lol

Still baffled they didn't just make his capital Damascus. Maybe they considered saving it for an alt leader that never came, but it would have solved so many TSL problems.

 

[8housesofelixir]

I'm surprised the Olmec haven't made an official appearance yet, though we do have La Venta.

Try to find an Olmec leader alone will require a lot of imagination (since we only know just one name), not to say try to voice him (their language is a lost language). Moreover, they will have a city list with full Spanish names; even in the Humankind community many are unsatisfied with that.

Like the Harappa and Minoans, they're an important civ whose details have been lost to history and are therefore virtually impossible to depict in a game like Civ.

I thought we have some clue on Minoan language?

 

[Zaarin]

I thought we have some clue on Minoan language?

Linear A is undeciphered, sadly, and short of discovering some bilingual text in a known language is very likely to remain so. We can say with some confidence that it is neither Indo-European nor Semitic, but not much more than that.

 

[SMcM]

Try to find an Olmec leader alone will require a lot of imagination (since we only know just one name), not to say try to voice him (their language is a lost language).

Is no speculation about related languages possible? Similar to how in Civ 5 they decided to use Chuvash for Attila based on speculation about Turkic origins?

 

[Zaarin]

Is no speculation about related languages possible? Similar to how in Civ 5 they decided to use Chuvash for Attila based on speculation about Turkic origins?

Speculation is possible--many scholars believe that the Olmecs spoke an Oto-Manguean language. That still doesn't solve the problem that we have no leaders and no city names, not the slightest clue as to where to look for a unique unit, and nothing better for UI than a Colossal Head. A city-state is probably the best we can do for the Olmecs.

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

I want to also note that since we almost universally prefer brand new civs to alt leaders, especially considering the hardest part about making a civ is the leader's animations, if there are any further expansions to civ6, I personally wish alt leaders will lead 2 civs, one new, one old. (This is the reason why I want to see Maria I leading both Portugal and Brazil). Seriously, after seeing how well designed Vietnam is as a civ, the announcement of Kublai just killed my mood. The best part of China under Qin was to rush wonders, now I have this boring ability of Kublai trying to leverage another boring and underwhelming civ ability.

 

[Abaxial]

I would like Argentina led by Bartolomé Mitre!

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

No leaders. No language. No city names. Like the Harappa and Minoans, they're an important civ whose details have been lost to history and are therefore virtually impossible to depict in a game like Civ. The Olmecs and Harappa are in Humankind, however, and I'm hopeful the Minoans will join them at some point as well (TBH I would have preferred the Minoans to the Mycenae in the first place).

On that note in Civ VII Knossos should be separated from the Greek city list and made into in's own Minoan city-state.

I thought we have some clue on Minoan language?

Not only that but good luck with finding a leader, who isn't mythological. Minos might not even be his real name, but just a title.

 

[ehecatzin]

I'm surprised the Olmec haven't made an official appearance yet, though we do have La Venta. I'd be fine with Mexico maybe in Civ 7 but I think 6 is over-filled with colonial civs as is. The Zapotec would be another mesoamerican contender (off the top of my head). The Maghreb needs some love, whether it be Morocco or the Berbers. We also only have three Islamic civilizations (Arabia, Mali, and the Ottomans) but I think there is space for at least one more like Oman or if they wanted to be real funky add Al-Andalus as a separate civ, using the Arabic names for cities to differentiate it from Spain's list. Preferably I'd like to see Arabia semi-deblobbed, have Saladin as a militaristic leader and have Harun al-Rashid with a House of Wisdom LUA or something. As is, Civ 6 Arabia isn't even in Arabia since Saladin's capital is in Egypt lol

As others pointed out, language and lack of information, same reason Teotihuacan is not suitable to be a civ (Tho it not being a CS still pisses me off). Same reason why I didn't suggest it, however, Mixtecs, Zapotecs and Purepecha all have alive languages, many of which are actually spoken in the US (due to migration).

Any of them could be an excelent addition in a second NFP, and I mean, civ 6 is notorious for going for dark horse civ picks, and yet, mesoamerica can't get out of the Aztec and Maya duo?

Zapotec or Mixtec would be great.

People went nuts with Lady Six Sky's name, imagine if Firaxis did Lord Eight Deer Jaguar Claw