I'd be more receptive of Canada if the civ itself wasn't so tonally detached from civ even by 6's standards (an ice hockey rink? mounties? Literally just give them maple syrup power ups and bagged milk as unique luxury at this point).
Yep. At the risk of upsetting the Anglophone Canadians, I probably could have been okay with a Canadian civ focusing on its Francophone history and the fur trade and the fact that its utter lack of population forced it to work more closely and in a more reciprocal manner with the Native Americans than other colonial powers did. Pop-culture modern Canada, however, was pretty near the bottom of what I'd like to see in the game. (Also "Vive la canadienne" is lovely--did they really have to shoehorn "O Canada" into the theme?)
North America is horribly represented if I'm being honest. Mesocamerica has more to offer than just the Aztecs and Maya. We have the US and Canada, with the US having an additional leader, and then just the Cree. I'd be more receptive of Canada if the civ itself wasn't so tonally detached from civ even by 6's standards (an ice hockey rink? mounties? Literally just give them maple syrup power ups and bagged milk as unique luxury at this point).
The Navajo were settled horse raiders which makes them slightly different but still in the vicinity of a Sioux or Cheyenne or Apache civ, since Civ6 has no effective way to portray nomads. I think a Navajo civ would look a lot like Scythia but with light cavalry instead of ranged cavalry. A Puebloan tribe would indeed be different, but since they won't/can't happen I wasn't considering them when I said I wouldn't prefer a Southwestern civ. If Firaxis knows something I don't about the Zuni or Hopi being willing to be depicted, I'd be all for it.
From all the designs I've seen none of them have to do with being horse raiders. It's more along the lines of desert farming, culture and faith bonuses, defense against culture bombs etc.
Yep. At the risk of upsetting the Anglophone Canadians, I probably could have been okay with a Canadian civ focusing on its Francophone history and the fur trade and the fact that its utter lack of population forced it to work more closely and in a more reciprocal manner with the Native Americans than other colonial powers did. Pop-culture modern Canada, however, was pretty near the bottom of what I'd like to see in the game. (Also "Vive la canadienne" is lovely--did they really have to shoehorn "O Canada" into the theme?)
I can see why they did pop culture modern Canada because the Cree already took the fur trade niche. I don't particularly have a problem with the way they were implemented besides maybe the tundra/snow bonuses.
From all the designs I've seen none of them have to do with being horse raiders. It's more along the lines of desert farming, culture and faith bonuses, defense against culture bombs etc.
Which is a lot more appropriate for the Pueblo than the Navajo IMO. They could do the Navajo that way, sure...but to me it would look an awful lot like, "Well, since we can't have the Pueblo, here are the Pueblo with a Navajo paintjob."
Which is a lot more appropriate for the Pueblo than the Navajo IMO. They could do the Navajo that way, sure...but to me it would look an awful lot like, "Well, since we can't have the Pueblo, here are the Pueblo with a Navajo paintjob."
Which is a lot more appropriate for the Pueblo than the Navajo IMO. They could do the Navajo that way, sure...but to me it would look an awful lot like, "Well, since we can't have the Pueblo, here are the Pueblo with a Navajo paintjob."
I mean it's true that the Navajo did learn agriculture and animal domestication from the Pueblo. But I don't necessary see the inherit problem with that because most of what we know from the Navajo were when they came into contact with the Spanish and they were already settled, and not nomadic.
I have zero problem with the golf course except that it doesn’t take appeal into account as to how many amenities it provides. It would be more fun if it worked kind of like a seaside resort and you could get major amenities for a properly placed golf course. Maybe it would even be something you’d settle a city for.
Thinking about the economic and cultural impact of the sport you think of picturesque places across the British isles and America where wealthy people plan vacations just to play.
Scotland as a world power is totally ahistorical so I am all for imagining, but it is hard to see what the benefit of brochts would be- they can build early forts that provide housing maybe? But forts provide very little benefit, and without requisite amenities why would they want housing?
Damn, that is good. I like that they kept a way for them to get free technologies - just in a way that is thematic. That's a rework I can get behind. Thanks.
For me the SW would be my lowest priority after the Plains or Plains-adjacent regions (Plateau/Great Basin) so I'm not overly excited about a compromise. I'd take the Navajo over no additional Native American civilization, but I'd much rather see a civ from the Northeast, Southeast, or Northwest.
For me the SW would be my lowest priority after the Plains or Plains-adjacent regions (Plateau/Great Basin) so I'm not overly excited about a compromise. I'd take the Navajo over no additional Native American civilization, but I'd much rather see a civ from the Northeast, Southeast, or Northwest.
For me it would be Northwest > Southeast (Powhatan or Choctaw) > Northeast (Haudenosaunee*) > Great Basin (I think a Paiute civ led by Wovoka could be super interesting) > Southwest ~ Plateau (Nez Perce) > Plains.
*In Civ7, I would have no objection to seeing a New England Algonquian confederacy, but in Civ6 they would feel overlappy with the Cree.
I agree to a certain extent, but pre-Columbian Exchange North America is one of the vanishingly few regions in the world that doesn't have a "staple" civ that shows up in every iteration, and it probably should have such a staple, and it's hard to make a case for a staple other than the Haudenosaunee.
I agree to a certain extent, but pre-Columbian Exchange North America is one of the vanishingly few regions in the world that doesn't have a "staple" civ that shows up in every iteration, and it probably should have such a staple, and it's hard to make a case for a staple other than the Haudenosaunee.
I can appreciate that view, but on the other hand Native North America is simply never going to get the kind of representation Europe does so I'm comfortable with having rotating North American civs. That being said, in this case specifically I don't think the Haudenosaunee and the Wampanoag or the Massachusett or the Nanticoke or the Mi'kmaq or what have you really overlap significantly except in geography. Of course, if we got an Eastern Algonquian civilization, as interesting as the New England confederacies are, my first choice far and away would be the Powhatan, and they're much further removed from the Haudenosaunee geographically. (The USA can be led by George Washington from Philadelphia for the TSL players. )
I'd much prefer a Haudenosaunee AND Powhatan or whathaveyou, rather than Haudenosaunee OR Powhatan or whathaveyou, but I have had many many years to learn how to live with disappointment.
I'd much prefer a Haudenosaunee AND Powhatan or whathaveyou, rather than Haudenosaunee OR Powhatan or whathaveyou, but I have had many many years to learn how to live with disappointment.
I'd much prefer a Haudenosaunee AND Powhatan or whathaveyou, rather than Haudenosaunee OR Powhatan or whathaveyou, but I have had many many years to learn how to live with disappointment.
If we can get a staple + 2, I'm all for making the Haudenosaunee a staple. If that crowds out Canada and Australia, well, that's two birds with one stone.
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If that crowds out Canada and Australia, well, that's two birds with one stone. 
