[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Abaxial]

There's a much better leader for Argentina: Bartolomé Mitre.

 

[Henri Christophe]

There's a much better leader for Argentina: Bartolomé Mitre.

I super agree

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

There's a much better leader for Argentina: Bartolomé Mitre.

Well, he was a bit loony. I mean, he did mutineer a gunboat to keep his opponent from heading to his inaugural. He was only saved from death by the current President's commutation. I mostly mean this post as a joke as I wouldn't mind him in Civ.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolás_Avellaneda

I suggest this guy as a black horse candidate, though.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

You'd be surprised. Most of what we know about Alexander comes from flattering poets or from historians a few centuries later. We know a lot about the myth of Alexander.

Ahem. Did my Thesis on unravelling the sources on Alexander - at least on the accounts of his climactic battle with the Persians at Gaugamela. This is one of the few battles in all history before the modern literate era for which we have more than one eye-witness, even though the eye-witness accounts are filtered through several literary accounts from 2 - 3 centuries later.
First, Arrian says he used Ptolemy Soter's memoirs (which, if an original copy of them ever shows up in some pile of papyrus, will cause massive heart failures among ancient historians everywhere - it would be the greatest Classical Source find since the Dead Sea Scrolls: a personal memoir from one of Alexander's contemporaries who was also a genuine King/Pharaoh of Egypt)).
Then, both Curtius and Diodorus Sicilus give an entirely different account of the battle. BUT if you carefully analyze their accounts, and make allowances for the fact that one is writing in Greek and the other in Latin, there are over 40 instances in which their accounts are virtually identical. Furthermore, if you take all the information in those fragments (which vary from a phrase to a paragraph in length), which include a great deal of detail on the commanders and units on both wings of the Persian host, the equipping of the contingents from all over the empire, and the actions of the preliminary force sent 'up country' to try to scorch the earth in front of Alexander's advance, you will also discover that every bit is consistent with a single source who was also present at the battle: Mazayvashta, or Mazaeus, the Satrap of Babylon and commander of the Persian right wing at Gaugamela, who was also in charge of the force sent off in front of Alexander and as Satrap the man in charge of the equipping and provisioning of the entire force. He also formally surrendered Babylon to Alexander right after the battle and was promptly re-instated as Governor of Babylon under Alexander. Can you spell Political Deal in Classical Persian?

The only other things we know about Mazaeus are that he was married to a Babylonian wife and had been Satrap of the richest province of the Empire for almost 20 years at the time of Gaugamela, and that not only did he continue as governor of that province, but two of his sons became governors under Alexander and commanders of subunits of the Companion Cavalry, and that Mazaeus, extremely unusual for a Persian nobleman of his generation, died of old age.
My tentative conclusion is that he may be the most accomplished and flexible political operator in history that no one has ever heard of.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

<WRITING> Wizard... doppelganger... leader. Got it, thanks!

would be interesting if a theoretical darius had an ability referencing this where removing a governor from a city increased its loyalty, loyalty pressure and defensive strength

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Let's see, we can have Hittites, Hatti, Urartu, Mitanni, Armenia, Luwia, Phrygia, Cilicia, Lydia, Cappadocia, Pontus, Ionia, Galatia, Seljuks...

is it bad that i’d unironically take this

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

is it bad that i’d unironically take this

Given that I accept literally all Civilizations into Civ 6... You're nowhere near as bad.

 

[Ryansinbela]

Not even Inuits and Aboriginals?

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Not even Inuits and Aboriginals?

It's hard to fit Inuits and Aboriginals into Anatolia, but on the other hand the original list did omit the Lukka Lands, so there should be bit of room in south/southwestern Asia Minor for igloos and Dreamtime.

 

[Ryansinbela]

I meant William. If he would also include those civs

 

[Zaarin]

there should be bit of room in south/southwestern Asia Minor

But I already put Cilicia there.

 

[pokiehl]

That big list of Anatolian cultures makes me realize something: What I really want is a Civ game with a specific period focus (like Paradox games have).

Bronze Age Civilization or Classical Civilization would be my dream game.

 

[Ryansinbela]

Perhaps tagged civs to make different scenarios

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

That big list of Anatolian cultures makes me realize something: What I really want is a Civ game with a specific period focus (like Paradox games have).

Bronze Age Civilization or Classical Civilization would be my dream game.

I'd love this too.
I would argue for me it could even reach the great empires of the Middle Ages.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

I'd love this too.
I would argue for me it could even reach the great empires of the Middle Ages.

That is not far from what Old World is doing - much tighter temporal focus overall, and a distinct focus on Mediterranean - Middle Eastern - Classical civilizations/factions.

It would be interesting to see how Civ-Type mechanics and features could be 'focused' into such a game . . .

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

That is not far from what Old World is doing - much tighter temporal focus overall, and a distinct focus on Mediterranean - Middle Eastern - Classical civilizations/factions.

It would be interesting to see how Civ-Type mechanics and features could be 'focused' into such a game . . .

Definitely, however the difference is I'd also like to see the civilizations from the same time period throughout Africa, Asia, and the Americas too.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

I meant William. If he would also include those civs

Not on my priorities, not sure if they will ever be priorities.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Definitely, however the difference is I'd also like to see the civilizations from the same time period throughout Africa, Asia, and the Americas too.

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The problem being that in the Ancient/Classical Eras, there was no contact to speak of (despite various legends and tales) between the Americas and the "Old World", so any American groups would be playing a completely separate game. And sub-Saharan Africa would be pretty isolated, too.

I think, to incorporate everyone as you want, the game would have to be designed with numerous different Civs and several scenarios that are geographically specific: American scenarios that give you a chance to play Meso-America or North America or South America, a Middle Eastern scenaro that allows you to start at Ground Zero with Sumer, Uruk, Egypt et al, a Central-East Asian scenario that allows you to play with the early Chinese dynasties, Xiong-Nu, Yuezhi, etc and so on.

As I said, the trick would be to do that within the framework of the Civ mechanics, which include the named Leaders, Unique characteristics and Units for each Civ, and possibly the current Civ VI style Tech and Civics 'trees' - although I suspect those might have to be modified to fit some of the scenarios, since neither the Americas nor the Chinese/East Asia developed either technically or culturally/civily in he same way Europe or the Near East did.

Added benefit to the system, though, would be the chance to develop and try out Non-Eurocentric tech and Civics 'trees' in a more focused game setting. for possible later expanding into a full-scale Civ game.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Day 1000 of asking for Chola in civ

 

[Henri Christophe]

Day 1000 of asking for Chola in civ

Day 1000 of asking Haiti in Civ