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Cutlass said:
"I am the only one who can make America great again."
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Reality TV star Donald Trump, announcing his presidential exploratory committee
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Well, there's no doubt that he could improve America...he could leave...or just shut up that yap.
 
Dr. Ben Carson takes the wheel for a spin around foreign policy:

Carson appeared to get tripped up by a few of Hewitt's questions.

At one point, Carson said the US should convince the three Baltic countries — Estonia, Lithuania, and Latvia — to join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization military alliance in order to counter Russian President Vladimir Putin. However, those countries joined NATO more than a decade ago, in 2004.

"We need to convince them to get involved in NATO and strengthen NATO," Carson said.

Hewitt, who will question the Republican presidential candidates at an official presidential debate, called Carson out.

"Well, the Baltics, they are in NATO," the radio host said. "Dr. Carson, one of the things I know that’s going to come up, and again, I don’t do ambush interviews, but ... it appeared you didn't know that the Baltic states were a part of NATO."
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http://www.businessinsider.com/ben-carson-stumbled-in-an-extremely-uncomfortable-interview-2015-3
 
JollyRoger said:
When is Trump going to release his long form bankruptcy certificates?
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:lol:

He will be releasing them
"During the season finale of the next installment of Celebrity Apprentice, that is, if I haven't received the Republican nomination by then, if I run, I mean I should run, but I don't know if the Network will let me go, I mean they're probably gonna' offer a lot on money to do Celebrity Apprentice, its a great show, people love it, people love me, and they love the show so I don't know if I can give that up to fix this mess we're in, I mean I could fix it, I'm the only one who can fix it, in fact, but to be honest I just don't know if I can turn down that much money, I mean I don't need the money, I've had a lot of success, I'm very successful, I've got a great show, maybe its time to do something else, I don't know..."
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onejayhawk said:
2008.

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The he owes us at least one more certificate (and maybe two, depending on how you keep score). Interesting that Trum's attempts to release his birth certificate have been:

1. A souvenir copy with no legal merit
2. A Certificate of Live Birth similar to what O'Bama released in 2008.

No long form from the Donald yet.
 
JollyRoger said:
The he owes us at least one more certificate (and maybe two, depending on how you keep score). Interesting that Trum's attempts to release his birth certificate have been:

1. A souvenir copy with no legal merit
2. A Certificate of Live Birth similar to what O'Bama released in 2008.

No long form from the Donald yet.
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Can you post scans?

On second thought, who cares? The guy is just trying to get a better TV deal.

Again.

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Timsup2nothin said:
They might not be less intelligent, but when the leadership lies to them constantly it is probably hard to be well informed. Fair bet FoxNews will carry the story of his heroic stand without ever mentioning that he is clearly clueless.
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It's even worse when you consider they're doing the equivalent of "Rolling with Mr. Charles" from Inception. They're lying to their supporters while insisting they're telling the truth and everybody else is lying. Any attempt at factchecking further confirms supporters' suspicions because that's just "Liberal Media" trying to suppress us true freedom fighters.
 
Owen Glyndwr said:
It's even worse when you consider they're doing the equivalent of "Rolling with Mr. Charles" from Inception. They're lying to their supporters while insisting they're telling the truth and everybody else is lying. Any attempt at factchecking further confirms supporters' suspicions because that's just "Liberal Media" trying to suppress us true freedom fighters.
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It's an effective business model...and whenever I get really down on them for spreading misinformation that I consider outright dangerous I remind myself that it is a business model that they actually adopted from MSNBC...who did it first but chose a smaller niche filled with less dangerous people.
 
What's weird to me is that Fox News, despite their (accurate) claim that they have more viewers than other cable news networks, still only draws about 2-3 million viewers. That's comparable to your average teen angst show on the CW. Yet SO many conservatives still believe the same debunked things.

I could understand if it was a tiny fringe element comparable to their actual viewership, but it's not. It's tens of millions of people, despite the relatively low number of actual viewers of Fox News.
 
RobAnybody said:
What's weird to me is that Fox News, despite their (accurate) claim that they have more viewers than other cable news networks, still only draws about 2-3 million viewers. That's comparable to your average teen angst show on the CW. Yet SO many conservatives still believe the same debunked things.

I could understand if it was a tiny fringe element comparable to their actual viewership, but it's not. It's tens of millions of people, despite the relatively low number of actual viewers of Fox News.
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Well, just like MSNBC with NBC, there is substantial bleed over into the parent network programming. Part of the benefit of the business plan is that by using the cable station to blatantly pander to 'the faithful' you generate good interest in the primary network. On the primary network you don't have to offer the 24/7 spoon feeding, but you are compelled to not offend the niche market by contradicting their beliefs. You won't see the "Obama is a Muslim communist from Kenya" level tripe on the regular Fox network news shows...but you also won't see them saying that he isn't and mocking FoxNews for continuing to say that he is.

This filters all the way down to the local affiliates. The local LA stations had the opportunity to cover Obama visiting LA last week. Obviously the ABC affiliate was narrowly focused on promoting his appearance on Jimmy Kimmel, but the NBC and CBS affiliates avoided mentioning Jimmy Kimmel by focusing their story on the other things Obama was doing in LA while the Fox affiliate gave an extended analysis of the adverse impact his visit would have on traffic with a side helping of 'he must have something more important to do'.
 
Timsup2nothin said:
Well, just like MSNBC with NBC, there is substantial bleed over into the parent network programming.
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I hear what you're saying, but the thing is, Fox, the channel, is nothing like Fox News. They pioneered The Simpsons, they air Glee, Sleepy Hollow is as ethnically diverse a prime time drama as you'll find. Family Guy, New Girl, The Mindy Project, heck, American Idol. This is what Fox "the network" shows. EDIT: More Fox shows, after checking my guide for the next week: Gotham, Hell's Kitchen (Ok, that one may be conservative-leaning), Weird Loners, Bones, The Following

I guess my point is that Fox "the network" shows a bunch of shows that Fox "the News" often raise as examples of destroying America (Glee? OMGtehGays!). I just don't see the bleed over. Maybe I'm ignoring the local news aspect of Fox "the network" though, because I don't actually watch either one for news (I watch a lot of Fox entertainment shows I just mentioned, just not the news from either source).

It's an interesting dichotomy, is all.

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Oh, also, I imagine most Fox "the network" viewers are NOT also Fox "the news" viewers, so I'm still baffled as to how Fox "news" has the far-reaching influence they so obviously have, which was my original point of confusion.
 
RobAnybody said:
I hear what you're saying, but the thing is, Fox, the channel, is nothing like Fox News. They pioneered The Simpsons, they air Glee, Sleepy Hollow is as ethnically diverse a prime time drama as you'll find. Family Guy, New Girl, The Mindy Project, heck, American Idol. This is what Fox "the network" shows.

I guess my point is that Fox "the network" shows a bunch of shows that Fox "the News" often raise as examples of destroying America (Glee? OMGtehGays!). I just don't see the bleed over. Maybe I'm ignoring the local news aspect of Fox "the network" though, because I don't actually watch either one for news (I watch a lot of Fox entertainment shows I just mentioned, just not the news from either source).

It's an interesting dichotomy, is all.

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Oh, also, I imagine most Fox "the network" viewers are NOT also Fox "the news" viewers, so I'm still baffled as to how Fox "news" has the far-reaching influence they so obviously have, which was my original point of confusion.
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Fox the network includes their news division...which while distinct from FoxNews the cable news channel does actually operate by very comparable standards. Yes, they do not hesitate to provide entertainment while crying about the entertainment industry, but when someone who is a FoxNews believer turns on the evening news, or the late night news, or the morning news as presented by their local network affiliates they turn on Fox. And a whole bunch of people who don't watch FoxNews the cable channel tune in along with them.

I suspect in many cases they are not really inclined to believe the Fox slant, but the reality is (at least where I live) that of the major network affiliates the only one with news at ten is Fox. So in late news they are not directly competing with the other networks for the 'early to be since I have to be early to rise' crowd. And when you get lied to regularly enough truth gets slippery.

In a totally unrelated oddity...morning news people are always dressed appropriately. You don't see a male news anchor without a tie, and a jacket. Women are in professional attire. Flipping channels in the morning and landing on the local Fox affiliate is surreal. Tie and jacket is surrendered to genuine formal wear, I swear, though since they are seated at a news desk cumberbun and tails cannot be verified. The women are clad as if they came straight from a very upscale club; the little black dress is common fare. It's...attractive...I guess...though somewhat disconcerting at the time. :coffee: :hmm: [party]
 
Also, apropos of nothing at all, conservatives really seem to lack a sense of humor. Like, they don't even see humor, much less generate humor.
 
There is a difference between "generating humor" and just being a laughing stock.
 
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