[RD] Colin Kaepernick

[metalhead]

Fine. There is an exception. Regardless, the bulk of team owners are buying in because of the status it brings. It is a well respected hobby, like say yachting. Financially, they do poorly for the most part. Teams tend to operate very close to break-even and franchise appreciation lags the stock market severely, even "rich" teams, like the Yankees.

J

For the NFL I'd need a citation of some sort for that type of claim considering now much TV money each team gets. It was my understanding that between that and the hard salary cap, that almost every team was making money.

J is totally full of it and/or has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. NFL team values more than tripled from 2000-2014. J, if you know of an investment . . . you know what, forget it, I just wish you wouldn't speak such thorough and gross ignorance all the time.

The recent trend is even more absurd. Team values have increased over 20% per year over the past 4 years, doubling team values in 2013-2017 alone.

In fact, since 1991, NFL team values have performed 3 times better than the S&P 500 index.

Moreover, the NFL as a whole retains about 15% of its revenue as profits, which is quite good. The skyrocketing team values are largely due to the large increases in TV revenue, and this graph is probably out of date.

 

[metalhead]

The fact that a bunch of other black players have done the same type of protest as Kaepernick and haven't faced any repercussions kinda kills your "OMG RACISM!!!!!" argument though...

I didn't make that argument directly, though it's quite easy to make. Refusing to sign Kaepernick means you view angering the type of white fans who would be angered more negatively than you view positively the cultivating Black fans, and the non-Black fans who sympathize with his point of view.

If you are more worried about reactions from some of your white fans than you are about reactions from some of your Black fans, then yeah, that's racist.

 

[Berzerker]

fans of all colors participate out of respect or thanks(giving), I think thats whom owners are trying to avoid offending

so if an owner is gonna take that risk, the player better be so good the fans will be more 'tolerant'

even fans gotta decide where the line is, good players move the line in their direction

 

[JollyRoger]

Kaepernick should have just beat up a woman during the National Anthem - that would have been apparently less offensive to NFL owners than kneeling.

 

[zxcvbob]

Kaepernick should have just beat up a woman during the National Anthem - that would have been apparently less offensive to NFL owners than kneeling.

I really don't think so; I think he'd have been beaten to a pulp and tossed out of the stadium. Now if he beat up a woman on his own time, that might be different.

Does nobody see a difference between what you do at work and what you do at home? One is the boss's business and the other probably isn't.

 

[Berzerker]

Does nobody see a difference between what you do at work and what you do at home? One is the boss's business and the other probably isn't.

colors are easier to see than motives

 

[onejayhawk]

Kaepernick should have just beat up a woman during the National Anthem - that would have been apparently less offensive to NFL owners than kneeling.

He should have learned to play football like a professional instead of throwing a temper tantrum. If he could actually play, there is no conversation.

J

 

[metalhead]

I'm gonna go ahead and assume that your analysis of his play is about as well-informed as your analysis of the profitability and value of NFL franchises.

 

[danjuno]

Kneeling is a temper tantrum? Parents across the globe would like to have a word with you, J.

 

[rah]

I would have to be really desperate to give him the money he was rumored to be asking for. (starter money)
Stats can be a bit deceiving. For me he didn't pass the eye test. But he'd be fine as a backup. But if I felt it would alienate my fan base, I would go another way. But I have a sneaking suspicion that the amount of alienation was exaggerated by many.

 

[VicRatlhead5199]

I would have to be really desperate to give him the money he was rumored to be asking for. (starter money)
Stats can be a bit deceiving. For me he didn't pass the eye test. But he'd be fine as a backup. But if I felt it would alienate my fan base, I would go another way. But I have a sneaking suspicion that the amount of alienation was exaggerated by many.

I think you're right. I still say somebody will pick him up for a steal down the road. He was more than likely asking for too much considering skill/talent and his controversy combined.

 

[caketastydelish]

Lots of African American players are kneeling right now and haven't lost their jobs. I'd say there's more to it than his protest. Most likely, as you said, he wants too much money. For a minimum contract he would obviously be a good deal. I wouldn't want to pay much more than that though.

 

[Commodore]

Refusing to sign Kaepernick means you view angering the type of white fans who would be angered more negatively than you view positively the cultivating Black fans,

Well seeing as whites still comprise around 65% of the US population and black people are only around 12% to 13% of the population, I still wouldn't say pandering to white fans is racism, it's just smart business. You simply make more money off of happy white people than you do happy black people.

 

[onejayhawk]

J is totally full of it and/or has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. NFL team values more than tripled from 2000-2014. J, if you know of an investment . . . you know what, forget it, I just wish you wouldn't speak such thorough and gross ignorance all the time.

The recent trend is even more absurd. Team values have increased over 20% per year over the past 4 years, doubling team values in 2013-2017 alone.

In fact, since 1991, NFL team values have performed 3 times better than the S&P 500 index.

Moreover, the NFL as a whole retains about 15% of its revenue as profits, which is quite good. The skyrocketing team values are largely due to the large increases in TV revenue, and this graph is probably out of date.

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It has been a good run recently, but this is cherry picking the best numbers. When Fox entered the TV market, it pumped an extra 7 $Million per year per team, which you mention but did not note that it is non-recurring. While the NFLPA is not a particularly effective Union, the players get a cut of all the numbers in your post.

I would rather own an NFL franchise than an NHL franchise, from a financial perspective, but it is not a good long term investment. All the money flows for television, which is notably fickle and highly invested. We now have games on Sunday, Sunday Night and Thursday solely for television. Not much room for additional expansion.
https://www.quora.com/How-much-money-does-an-NFL-team-owner-make-off-his-her-team-per-year
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/062515/how-nfl-makes-money.asp
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...7-3-billion-in-revenue-packers-numbers-reveal

J

 

[caketastydelish]

Well seeing as whites still comprise around 65% of the US population and black people are only around 12% to 13% of the population, I still wouldn't say pandering to white fans is racism, it's just smart business. You simply make more money off of happy white people than you do happy black people.

White fans also have more money for things like Jerseys, going to the actual games, etc. Money is obviously a factor here, it would be stupid for it not be.

 

[Traitorfish]

Well seeing as whites still comprise around 65% of the US population and black people are only around 12% to 13% of the population, I still wouldn't say pandering to white fans is racism, it's just smart business. You simply make more money off of happy white people than you do happy black people.

Well, that's pretty much what people mean when they talk about structural racism. It's not just a question of wicked men with hate in their hearts, it's about how society's deck is stacked in favour of some groups and against others.

 

[Commodore]

Well, that's pretty much what people mean when they talk about structural racism. It's not just a question of wicked men with hate in their hearts, it's about how society's deck is stacked in favour of some groups and against others.

Is it really racism/bigotry though, or is it just the norm? I mean, what nation on this earth doesn't pander to their majority, whether that majority be racial, ethnic, religious, or political?

 

[Traitorfish]

Is it really racism/bigotry though, or is it just the norm? I mean, what nation on this earth doesn't pander to their majority, whether that majority be racial, ethnic, religious, or political?

Well, yes, that's the point. Just because it's commonplace doesn't make it right.

 

[metalhead]

Well seeing as whites still comprise around 65% of the US population and black people are only around 12% to 13% of the population, I still wouldn't say pandering to white fans is racism, it's just smart business. You simply make more money off of happy white people than you do happy black people.

But it's not like all white people (or black people, surely) have the same opinion as every other person of their race on any topic, including Colin Kaepernick. Not while Jason Whitlock somehow still draws a paycheck in exchange for his opinions, that's for sure.

There is no way to accurately say you lose/anger more fans/more affluent fans by signing him, than you would gain/please other fans. Rather, it's a value judgment being made, and NFL owners as a group seem to have all come down on one side of the value judgment.

 

[Berzerker]

why is pandering to the majority racism?

racism - prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.