Combine vs Empire vs Flood vs Covenant

[Earthling]

Nope. Halo verse weaponry/shields/tech is documented at least a few thousands times more powerful than Star Wars weaponry (by official numbers). And I don't even like looking at things that way, but since that's the most favorable assessment for the matchup anyway...

Example - Covenant tech roughly on Par with the UNSC - I don't know how to analyze the Flood since they're kinda different - psychic powers and all, but still.
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Magnetic_Accelerator_Cannon
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Orbital_Defense_Platform

Halo capital ships could take on pretty much anything in Star Wars - a fleet could probably even stand up well to the Death Star (weaponry with as much energy as, say, the collision of the Super Star Destroyer in Return of the Jedi)

 

[Patroklos]

The impact power of your MAC given in that link was 1.67 gigatons. It says that in universe nuclear weapons are more powerful.

On the other hand a simple transport in the SW univers has teraton scale weaponry. There is no contest.

 

[Earthling]

You didn't read fully. The range goes up to 10 teratons for more powerful weapons. And the Covenant are stronger than the weaker human ships, even says that.

Plus, citation needed for everyday Star Wars weaponry (non-superweapons). Wookiepedia says no more than 100 gigatons as far as I've found.

 

[capslock]

Yah, the Empire lost to teddy bears. They clearly come in last.

 

[Patroklos]

The Covenant, the whole damn thing, lost to one dude.

I will get you the sources on the teraton weaponry, but I know it is stated for th acclamator class assault transport in Incredible Cross Sections. It was the HUNDREDS of terraton range, and each ship has at a minimum a dozen.

The 10 terraton weaoins are the "Super weapons" of the stations in HALO, and if we are going to do that the DS wins hands down, nothing in HALO can kill a planet with raised shields in one shot.

 

[lovett]

If I remember correctly, a ridiculously technologically advanced galaxy wide empire found the only viable method of containing The Flood to be building a handful of big planet sized rings that would wipe out all life in said galaxy, including themselves. Given this capability one infers that this empire has the jump on the Star Wars Empire by quite a bit.

Which says a lot in favour of The Flood.

 

[Zelig]

You didn't read fully. The range goes up to 10 teratons for more powerful weapons. And the Covenant are stronger than the weaker human ships, even says that.

Plus, citation needed for everyday Star Wars weaponry (non-superweapons). Wookiepedia says no more than 100 gigatons as far as I've found.

10 teratons = 10^22 Joules.

Some quick googling says an Imperator-class star destroyer has a destructive power of no less than 10^24 Joules, with shields of other ships being able to withstand this.

 

[Earthling]

The Covenant is stronger than the humans in Halo, though, that's the thing. And the Flood is potentially many orders of magnitude stronger on top of that.

Some Covenant info

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Glassing
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Energy_Projector

 

[Patroklos]

The Pillar of Autum took out several cruisers itself, and we see it absorb several capital ship scale weapons DIRECTLY ON THE HULL.

The engery projector was a planetary assault weapon only, and it was always seen being used at point blank range with effects much less impressive than our own nuclear weapons.

Glassing is irrelevant, single SW ships of just destroyer scale can do the same.

No dice.

 

[Earthling]

Still waiting on some of those sources - multiple sources put Star Destroyer turbolasers in the 1-10 gigaton range (granted, they have more than one, but that's way less than the max output of some weapons in a single shot in Halo)

And yes, various heroics/stories have the humans come out on top, but in general Covenant tech is stronger

The closest weapon that the UNSC has that is anywhere near as powerful as the Plasma turret is the MAC gun, which is difficult and costly to make.

Edit: Since I'm not going to rely on dubious claims from book sources not even on the Internet - the Wookiepedia folks, quoting the same sources I assume anyone would be looking for, put peak Star Destroyer power around 10^25W - which includes weapons, shields, engines, etc... - there's no way single turbolasers are anywhere close on that scale as varoius sites attest. So we've got plenty of proven info on Halo weaponry ranging to hundreds to thousands of gigatons and they also have some major superweapons before you go there- I don't see the Empire coming out of this well at all. They're spread thin and could hardly muster a few dozen ships for major engagements - while even with the three-way struggle between UNSC, Covenant and Flood the Halo verse sees much more concentrated power. Again I don't know enough about the Combine and they've got weird inter-dimensional/time effects to take into account, let someone else fill in on that.

 

[Annex]

holy crap this is a nerdy argument

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

Civ is a pretty nerdy game. What's your point?

 

[Earthling]

this is a nerdy argument

Takes a few seconds to google something, though yes, I suspect some of us were familiar with the series beforehand . All I did is find the wiki's for either topic - don't know about the others who apparently can't find (or believe) their own evidence and have to calculate things themselves or what... Blame the OP if you want. Still say the Empire has a good chance of being outnumbered and outgunned, without even considering non-technological/psychic powers from the Flood or the Combine.

 

[Patroklos]

Edit: Since I'm not going to rely on dubious claims from book sources not even on the Internet

You understand that all of your numbers come from source material for A GAME. Where the hell do you get off sayiong SW sources are somehow inferior to this?

In any case, Wookiepedia clearly states that nearly the entire power output of a Venator can be directed through its turbolasers, which means a single shot can reach 3.6 × 10^24 W. That is the normal mainline armament of a standard clone wars cruiser, not the most powerful ships of its time and outclassed by the newer Imperial ships.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Venator-class_Star_Destroyer

The Acclimators's weapons yeild 200 gigatons per shot, and that is again just an assualt transport. To even apporoach this type of weaponry you have so go to the very rare orbital defense platfoms.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Acclamator_I-class_assault_ship

And the Empire itself had hundreds of thousands of ships the size of your normal Covenant cruiser each wielding weapons in excess of the Acclamator's armament. If earth ships with weapons that are only .5% of the Empire's transport vessels can resist the Covenant for a decade plus, that should tell you something.

 

[lovett]

If I remember correctly, a ridiculously technologically advanced galaxy wide empire found the only viable method of containing The Flood to be building a handful of big planet sized rings that would wipe out all life in said galaxy, including themselves. Given this capability one infers that this empire has the jump on the Star Wars Empire by quite a bit.

Which says a lot in favour of The Flood.

 

[Earthling]

You understand that all of your numbers come from source material for A GAME.

I didn't. I said that making up/getting numbers you can't even find on the Internet is pretty pathetic. 100s of teratons to 100s of gigatons is a thousandfold reduction, pretty significant.

In any case, Wookiepedia clearly states that nearly the entire power output of a Venator can be directed through its turbolasers, which means a single shot can reach 3.6 × 10^24 W. That is the normal mainline armament of a standard clone wars cruiser, not the most powerful ships of its time and outclassed by the newer Imperial ships.

Means nothing of the sort and you know it - one turbolaser shot is not the same as the whole ships' armament. And at any rate that's the problem with contradictory sources - this is a less precise statement than those that just say "200 gigatons" as the other source does, and several sources put lower ranges on even the "newer Imperial ships" (for instance the fansite stardestroyers.net has numbers at around 1 gigaton...)

And the Empire itself had hundreds of thousands of ships the size of your normal Covenant cruiser.

Not going to ask for a citation since I know there's no clear number - but it is clear, not in any single battle could the Empire bring that much to bear. 1000 ships from a Halo verse Fleet could stand up to a Star Wars fleet and if anything the evidence points to the Star Wars fleet ending up outnumbered because they don't field that many ships at once. And again, I'll give it to you the Covenant aren't undefeatable of course - but then again the Flood is stronger.

Thread could have used a poll in retrospect, what's the OPs thoughts since he started all this?

Edit - yes, lovett, though I've avoided specifically counting Forerunner tech/relics on say, the Covenant side, though the Covenant is based in what is has from Forerunner tech; and ships like the Keyships would be thousands or millions of times more powerful than any of the regular capital ships we've discussed. But it says a lot for the Flood.

 

[say1988]

Doesn't matter, I would either go with the Flood, if they can appear in full force, or the Combine.
We really don't know the power of the Combine as it was only a very small portion that made it through the portal and they failed to bring significant reinforcements through.
The other question is, do they even have space ships?

 

[capslock]

IDC if Master Chief mowed down a million covenant. The Empire lost its giant death star because it could not defeat a group of primitive TEDDY BEARS.

Empire sucks, fellas. Star Wars in general sucks. Halo rocks.

 

[GenMarshall]

For a second, I thought the OP had something to do with the Combine from Half-Life

 

[Gooblah]

The Covenant, the whole damn thing, lost to one dude.

Not really. Not at all, actually. It was a combination of the entire human military, the rest of the Spartans, a lot of luck, Cortana, the Flood, and the Arbiter that made the Chief's victory possible.

The Pillar of Autum took out several cruisers itself, and we see it absorb several capital ship scale weapons DIRECTLY ON THE HULL.

The Pillar of Autumn was an anomalous ship, though. Only a few Halcyon-class Cruisers were ever constructed, and they were incredibly tiny, barely the size necessary to fit a full-blown MAC gun. The sheer amount of cross-bracing and supports it had for its internal structure was extremely large compared to the average ship, and it had state-of-the-art technology (an above-average MAC gun, a new fusion model, etc.) as well as two AIs.