Conservatives against ID

[Eran of Arcadia]

I found this site today and think it deserves mention. Although almost everyone who is trying to get creationism taught in school these days comes from the Right, it is important to note that one can be a conservative and still accept science.

This is a petition urging those who are on the right side of the political spectrum who accept the theory of evolution along with the rest of science to sign. I encourage any CFCers who fit that description (like I do) to sign.

 

[.Shane.]

Interesting website! Nice post. No doubt there are many issues that a great lot of conservatives disagree w/ the religious right on.

 

[Che Guava]

Excellent! Why I certainly do not consider myself part of the right, I think its important to start moving beyond this bi-polar attitude to politics, where being from the right means that you have to support fundementalists and pseudo-scientists just out of spite....

 

[pboily]

or not being on the right means that you have to be against religious folks and spiritual leaders just out of spite (I know I've been guilty of that on numerous occasions...)

 

[Neomega]

Intelligent Design has many strong points though..

Creationism, doesn't.

 

[classical_hero]

YOu will never get me to sign that piece of rubbish.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

YOu will never get me to sign that piece of rubbish.

I take it, then, that you believe in Intelligent Design? I didn't know that there were very many of you in Australia. It is mostly an issue in the United States, from what I have heard.

 

[MobBoss]

I consider myself part of the "religious right" but in turn am not a big fan of ID. Dont really know that much about it frankly and it doesnt really interest me.

My faith is what it is regardless of whether the earth was created 6k years ago, or a gazillion years ago. We basically have no idea of whats truly happened in history and our knowledge of what is or is not really possible limited by our current level of science. What we take for granted today, people would have called magic only hundreds of years ago.

/shrug.

 

[Che Guava]

or not being on the right means that you have to be against religious folks and spiritual leaders just out of spite (I know I've been guilty of that on numerous occasions...)

Ugh, I hate that too. Its part of that same school of thought that ties in socialism/liberalism to counter-culture, which I can't stand!

"Are you a leftist? You must love Naomi Klein!" AAARRRRG!

 

[Bluemofia]

Well, it's not supprising to me.

Politics aren't in black and white. There are 10^124545 shades of grey as well.

 

[Tycoon101]

God created the Earth and some organisms, and the planet and its animals evolved over time. I may be right-wing, but I still beilieve that ID and Evolution can put put together into one theorem.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

I saw this on t.o. earlier today. Nice to see.

ID is basically Creationism with "God" scratched out and "Designer" written in.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

I saw this on t.o. earlier today. Nice to see.

ID is basically Creationism with "God" scratched out and "Designer" written in.

By the way, how do I get on t.o.? I have tried but no luck so far.

 

[pboily]

Ugh, I hate that too. Its part of that same school of thought that ties in socialism/liberalism to counter-culture, which I can't stand!

"Are you a leftist? You must love Naomi Klein!" AAARRRRG!

My dirty little secret is that even though I am not on the right, there are way too many leftists/counter-culture types I can't stand...

EDIT: and what is t.o.?

 

[Erik Mesoy]

t.o. is the talk.origins newsgroup. You get onto it like this...'

www.google.com -> "Google Groups"
This will lead you to http://groups.google.com , where you type in "talk.origins".

Short guide:
Like most talk groups, it has occasional spambots posting ads, and lots of useless threads. Notable (loud) figures are Ray Martinez (cre) who gets into flaming debates, and Logos who mostly evangelizes. There are several atheists who conflate christianity with creationism, which is annoying.


And on another note:

1. Observe some aspect of the universe

2. Form a hypothesis that potentially explains what you have observed

3. Make testible predictions from that hypothesis

4. Make observations or experiments that can test those predictions

5. Modify your hypothesis until it is in accord with all observations
and predictions

Someone run Intelligent Design through this, mmkay?

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

I agree. Politics aren't black and white. As both a conservative and a Christian, I am repulsed by much of what the "Religious Right" does or stands for. Likewise, the Left has its share of pseudoscience and it is not a requirement for a liberal to like Michael Moore any more than I have to like Bill O'Reilly.

 

[Sidhe]

Erik you forgot

6) get peer reviewed by publishing a paper or two in reputable journals

7) get proved wrong, goto 1)

With ID there's no being prooved wrong so it's a waste of time IMO.

I'm liberal and yes I don't really have alot of time for MM, it's coffee table journalism at best.

 

[Neomega]

I saw this on t.o. earlier today. Nice to see.

ID is basically Creationism with "God" scratched out and "Designer" written in.

Well, that is how alot of creationists would like to paint it, but ID does not necessarily mean God created DNA, or that he mad ethe world in seven days.

ID just hypothesizes that perhaps there was a designer of some of the biological mechanisms.

 

[Neonanocyborgasm]

I found this site today and think it deserves mention. Although almost everyone who is trying to get creationism taught in school these days comes from the Right, it is important to note that one can be a conservative and still accept science.

This is a petition urging those who are on the right side of the political spectrum who accept the theory of evolution along with the rest of science to sign. I encourage any CFCers who fit that description (like I do) to sign.

I thought this issue was burning itself out with the recent court decision in Pennsylvania.

 

[warpus]

ID just hypothesizes that perhaps there was a designer of some of the biological mechanisms.

Yes, but they also insist that the designer was the Christian God.