Corporal Punishment - Do You Condone it?

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by IglooDude
Yeah, I know, physical violence=barbarism according to you.

Then what is it?

Art?

Originally posted by IglooDude
However, as long as you don't favor laws that seek to prevent parents from ever striking their children, then we'll be able to peacefully disagree.

Actually, I do favour such laws.

They protect the innocent from parents who would beat them.

But this doesn't mean we can't still peacefully disagree.

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by Ozz


You wouldn't be standing long if you tried that with me.

discipline must be swift, and with with no doubts about if it's going to occur in the child's mind, if it's to be effective. (with 4 year olds, that is)

Rotten little swine misbehavin' in public COUNT on busybodys like
ye to get away with screamin' and cryin' and embrassin' their
parents and bein' a general pain in the arse to the world at large.

Sure thing.

But you would be in court - for assault and child abuse!

 

[Jeff Yu]

Originally posted by The Last Conformist
A question for you pro-corporeal punishment types; would you also be in favour of physical punishment of criminals, in place of prison and/or fines for some crimes?

It depends. For petty crimes, like shoplifting and vandalism, I think corporal punishment can give them suitable chatisement. Smack the brat till he can't sit down comfortably for the next month, and see if that'll keep him from doing it again.

For more serious crimes, I say no. If someone commits a rape or cold-blooded murder, then something is very wrong with him and he's gone too far down the wrong path to be corrected with a flogging. I say lock the ****er away until we can be reasonably sure that he's reformed and he'll never even think of doing something like that again. For serial murders and serial rapists, I say we either lock them up and throw away the key or put them out of their pathetic and miserable existence.

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by IglooDude


Don't hit him, ignore him while you complete the discipline. Teaching the child that the opinions of busybodies are insignificant is an important lesson to be learned, and besides, busybodies hate being ignored.

Funny who someone who advocates beating defenceless children sees a decent-minded person as a busybody.

What a dark image this paints.

Actually, one of an audience of muttering, displeased people would probably call the cops/social workers.

And I certainly would.

 

[CurtSibling]

I should mention, I am pro-beating and death penalty for adults - But I believe in protecting children from the violence of adults.

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by IglooDude


No, I favor corporal punishment only when the child's reasoning abilities aren't quite up to speed, and only by parents/guardians. For criminals (or any adults) we as a society assume that they are sufficiently able to comprehend and be deterred by other punishments, and so don't need to use physical pain as a corrective tool.

So you treat the child like an animal.

Completely shocking.

 

[IglooDame]

Originally posted by CurtSibling


Funny who someone who advocates beating defenceless children sees a decent-minded person as a busybody.

What a dark image this paints.

Actually, one of an audience of muttering, displeased people would probably call the cops/social workers.

And I certainly would.

It's all in the (loaded) terms used, and while I will concede calling an onlooker motivated to interfere through their concern for the child's well-being a busybody qualifies, I defer to your expertise in the practice of using loaded terms on this board.

 

[WickedSmurf]

There is no absolute truth.

Yeah it's all pretty and politically correct "don't touch the children" but different situations call for different methods. I was really obnoxious when I was little and so I had me a spanking or two. No objection there, I knew I was acting way out of line! It was all about pushing the limits, which I did throughout most of my youth.

Do I understand why they gave me a few whoopings? Yes.
Did I suffer from it? No.
Did it teach me to behave? Yes.
Could they (my parents) have done something "else"? Not likely, I would have kept on acting like an idiot.

Do I condone it? No, I do not.

Addendum:
I am an only child, my parents are living together and have so for the last 35 something years. They are very sweet and I love them very much. There were IMO (which is the one that matters here) very good at bringing me up.

There's my two cents

 

[Iggy]

Originally posted by CurtSibling

B]So you treat the child like an animal.[/B]

You beat animals?

 

[Ozz]

Originally posted by IglooDude
Don't hit him, ignore him while you complete the discipline. Teaching the child that the opinions of busybodies are insignificant is an important lesson to be learned, and besides, busybodies hate being ignored.

They hate being punched in the mouth too. Your right, but I couldn't resist, i know myself in this case. (I'll take trial by jury, mainly lumberjacks and miners here )

and anyways if we ALL punched them (busybodies) in the
mouth they would likely stop.

Busybodies never got a proper upbringin' and just want to
screw everybody else up too.

Lack of moral fibre caused by a lack of proper childhood discipline

 

[IglooDame]

Originally posted by CurtSibling
So you treat the child like an animal.

Completely shocking.

So you concede that whapping a dog on the butt with a rolled-up newspaper or rapping a cat's nose is effective discipline?

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by Iggy
Originally posted by CurtSibling

B]So you treat the child like an animal.

You beat animals? [/B]

Nice try.

But I deplore animal cruelty too.

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by IglooDude


It's all in the (loaded) terms used, and while I will concede calling an onlooker motivated to interfere through their concern for the child's well-being a busybody qualifies, I defer to your expertise in the practice of using loaded terms on this board.

Well, should I be demonzied for caring about a child's welfare?

How many cases of abuse are ignored and become homicides these days?

Too many!

 

[Ozz]

Originally posted by CurtSibling
Actually, one of an audience of muttering, displeased people would probably call the cops/social workers.

And I certainly would.

(they would likely be mutterin' )
" that Sibling jackass, got punched agin, eh Ralph?"
" Yipper,, Frankie, when yer that stupid, it just don't sink in, do it?"
" Na, I had better crank up the goons, afore someone trips over
him."

Of course they would, I ain't dragging yer carcase out of the mud
after plantin' you there.

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by Ozz


They hate being punched in the mouth too. Your right, but I couldn't resist, i know myself in this case. (I'll take trial by jury, mainly lumberjacks and miners here )

and anyways if we ALL punched them (busybodies) in the
mouth they would likely stop.

Busybodies never got a proper upbringin' and just want to
screw everybody else up too.

Lack of moral fibre caused by a lack of proper childhood discipline

Complete balderdash!

(but I know you are playing to the gallery - So I will return in kind!)

A punch in the mouth would lead to you as an adult being taught some manners, in front of your wife and kid.

"Your daddy is bad man, and had to be beaten up, sonny!

Feel free to hop a kick off him too!

Good lad!"



Now seriously - public violence against a minor cannot be just ignored...

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by Ozz


(they would likely be mutterin' )
" that Sibling jackass, got punched agin, eh Ralph?"
" Yipper,, Frankie, when yer that stupid, it just don't sink in, do it?"
" Na, I had better crank up the goons, afore someone trips over
him."

Of course they would, I ain't dragging yer carcase out of the mud
after plantin' you there.

Does all this take place in some non-English speaking nation?

 

[Ozz]

Originally posted by IglooDude


It's all in the (loaded) terms used, and while I will concede calling an onlooker motivated to interfere through their concern for the child's well-being a busybody qualifies,

King's English

bus·y·bod·y [ bízzee bòddee ] (plural bus·y·bod·ies)
noun
prying person: somebody who tends to meddle with other people’s business ( informal )

No, it don't, the child is not in true peril,

If it swims like a duck, quacks like a duck, flys like a duck, looks
like a duck...

Call it a Duck.

 

[CurtSibling]

Well, if you saw a woman being abused, would you citizens choose not to impinge on the rapist's right to be left alone?

I mean, who wants a 'busy-body' to intervene?

 

[Ozz]

Originally posted by CurtSibling
Now seriously - public violence against a minor cannot be just ignored...

Yer not a minor, Curt

Ah, Curt yer hearts in the right place, but yer wrong here, parents
know their kids, cause they got the same DNA, and alot of the
same traits and thought patterns, they know how and what worked on them as a kid, and what didn't. And if they don't know,
with all that going for them, you certainly don't.

 

[Ozz]

Originally posted by CurtSibling


Does all this take place in some non-English speaking nation?

Scotland..., that's were you live isn't it?

I just visitin' for the deep fried mars bars and the violence.