covid oopsies

Members of the committee include MTG and Ronny Jackson.
The end.
As a citizen, I'm entitled to a paper copy of the 500+ page report. I'll be stocked up on toilet paper for the next pandemic Republicans mismanage.
You jest, but there is a real, non-negligible chance that these buffoons do indeed plunge us into another global/national pandemic. There is always some potential pandemic springing up somewhere in the world. The US usually does not succumb because of competent management. Without competent, responsible people in charge, we are once again vulnerable to the next big pandemic. :sad:
 
"Not based on science"... "arbitrary and not based on scientific data"...

Jesus, too bad no-one could get proper scientific data (longitudinal studies with proper control groups) in the middle of a novel pandemic and instead just had to go with whatever could be reasonably expected to help save lives...
 
Sweden did it the best.

The school closures were a disaster.

Small businesses closed but Walmart open.

Billionaires got exponentially richer while the average person suffered. Typical disaster economics.
So business as usual for my entire life? got it
 
oh my the derangement is strong here today.








This one is particularly amusing.

1) I will admit I have NOT read the whole report.
2) masks: didn't protect YOU from squat. Protected others from your spittle etc.
3) social distancing: nope, no science there.
4) shutdowns. uh-huh. again, what was the point? "get ahead of the curve?"
5) vaccine: um, aren't they supposed to prevent you from getting the whatevers? Not for Covids apparently. hrmm.
6) funny how when Trump called in the chinaflu all the lefties (dimocrats) lost their wee little minds. Oh wait, you mean it did come from there?
(lab or meat market makes no difference)
7) Important: do ANY of you have any idea on how you respond to a biological attack? (or a new bug such as covid?) I do. (go look up NBCW training)
Cause we didn't do what should have been done to stop/slow that thing.
8) NY: sending the infected into the senior homes was criminally stupid. (I know people who lost family directly due to that idiocy)
Those responsible need to be ... oh wait, he's a dem? oh right. Nothing happened.

sigh
1) obviously
2) by reducing spread overall you protect yourself and your family overall (duh), you're focus on yourself and yourself alone was the most disgusting behavior I witnessed daily during the pandemic.
3) the six-foot thing was arbitrary, but the idea is basic common sense, I can find clips of sneezes and droplet ranges in certain environments... six feet is not that far off.... so you just have no idea what you are talking about here.
4) shutdowns were not necessary in hindsight, but with China, Italy, and NY all in complete meltdowns it was hard to have a clear fatality rate and thus lockdowns
5) WTH do you think you are talking about here? (you should elaborate because as this sentence is written you seem to believe that the covid vaccine does not prevent covid cases?)
6) The Lancet should be shut down as a scientific publication for all the massive retractions they've had to pull that really undermined public health, both of vaccines and Covid origins
7) I looked it up but it seems pretty deep to get to the biological attack response, care to elaborate on your point or idea here?
8) I agree, Cuomo should be in jail for more than that, the GOP jsut manages to somehow be even more corrupt than the demoncats.
 
Business as usual on steroids.

Iirc COVID years were the largest transfer of wealth away from everyday citizens to billionaires in history. Maybe Trump 2.0 era will trump that.
I agree with this.
 
Don't be so harsh on yourself.


Nice try.

From the mayo clinic:

Can face masks help slow the spread of the virus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)?

Yes. When used with measures such as getting vaccinated, hand-washing and physical distancing, wearing a face mask slows how quickly the virus that causes COVID-19 spreads.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends wearing masks if you choose to, and in specific places and situations.

source

It's depressing how many people buy into pseudoscience and misinformation so easily

Read my line about masks again. yes Fauxi pointed out it protects others from him, but that wee point got missed by the masses it seems.
They think those cheap paper masks were protecting them. NOT!


1) obviously
2) by reducing spread overall you protect yourself and your family overall (duh), you're focus on yourself and yourself alone was the most disgusting behavior I witnessed daily during the pandemic.
3) the six-foot thing was arbitrary, but the idea is basic common sense, I can find clips of sneezes and droplet ranges in certain environments... six feet is not that far off.... so you just have no idea what you are talking about here.
4) shutdowns were not necessary in hindsight, but with China, Italy, and NY all in complete meltdowns it was hard to have a clear fatality rate and thus lockdowns
5) WTH do you think you are talking about here? (you should elaborate because as this sentence is written you seem to believe that the covid vaccine does not prevent covid cases?)
6) The Lancet should be shut down as a scientific publication for all the massive retractions they've had to pull that really undermined public health, both of vaccines and Covid origins
7) I looked it up but it seems pretty deep to get to the biological attack response, care to elaborate on your point or idea here?
8) I agree, Cuomo should be in jail for more than that, the GOP jsut manages to somehow be even more corrupt than the demoncats.
2) yeah, a lot of people really really need basic hygiene classes, and how to behave in public.
3) It was arbitrary yet it's common sense. huh? If you wore a mask to stop the spread of your cooties, then 1' or 6' won't matter. Unless the mask was totally useless.
choose.
4) nobody really knows what happened in China. They lie, obfuscate and or just say nothing.
5) Why did people who got the 'vaccine' still get covid? A proper vaccine means you DO NOT get whatever you were vaccinated for.
(and yes, some friends got the so called vaccine, yet still got covid afterwards.)
7) If it's a bad disease incoming to your country, then EVERYONE coming gets quarantined. EVERYONE. Flight comes in, passengers, crew, aircraft.
None of this foolish "go home and quaranine for 2 weeks" "well, we've been out of the country for months, gotta go buy food first" Congrats. Quarantine now useless.
8) how the frack do you get the GOP into what Cuomo did? That was pure him/Dems. He should be tried, then put into isolation and infected with something nasty, left to die alone and miserable... naww, can't do that. (no cruel and unusual punishments). Hang'im. (more eco friendly than shooting) :P


The way the entire covid thing was handled means next time something like this comes along (and there will be a next time), people aren't going to believe
the government or the 'science'. That well has been well and truly poisoned. :(
 
Nice try.



Read my line about masks again. yes Fauxi pointed out it protects others from him, but that wee point got missed by the masses it seems.
They think those cheap paper masks were protecting them. NOT!



2) yeah, a lot of people really really need basic hygiene classes, and how to behave in public.
3) It was arbitrary yet it's common sense. huh? If you wore a mask to stop the spread of your cooties, then 1' or 6' won't matter. Unless the mask was totally useless.
choose.
4) nobody really knows what happened in China. They lie, obfuscate and or just say nothing.
5) Why did people who got the 'vaccine' still get covid? A proper vaccine means you DO NOT get whatever you were vaccinated for.
(and yes, some friends got the so called vaccine, yet still got covid afterwards.)
7) If it's a bad disease incoming to your country, then EVERYONE coming gets quarantined. EVERYONE. Flight comes in, passengers, crew, aircraft.
None of this foolish "go home and quaranine for 2 weeks" "well, we've been out of the country for months, gotta go buy food first" Congrats. Quarantine now useless.
8) how the frack do you get the GOP into what Cuomo did? That was pure him/Dems. He should be tried, then put into isolation and infected with something nasty, left to die alone and miserable... naww, can't do that. (no cruel and unusual punishments). Hang'im. (more eco friendly than shooting) :p


The way the entire covid thing was handled means next time something like this comes along (and there will be a next time), people aren't going to believe
the government or the 'science'. That well has been well and truly poisoned. :(
Look man, you are in out of your depth here and as someone who is in this field I can tell you that all the scientific consensus supported the epidemiologists plans at the time, with the caveat that in hindsight covid was not as deadly as it first thought.

2) ok, sure
3) it does matter, your understanding of droplets and masks (you know the regular masks) seems very limited, or you are just misinformed (many Americans were misinformed badly about all this by morons and quacks out for a dollar, not to mention capitalist loving officials who really needed you to get back to the mines and did not mind lying to get you to go back to work.
4) Wuhan lab leaked, its actually documented at this point, The Lancet published an article denying this, but emails exposed later showed the same authors of that paper were involved in a coverup of a leak (last I knew anyways).
5) again your ignorance of basic medical knowledge is exposed here, covid is a virus, viral vaccines are never perfect because they shift so quickly. No vaccine is perfect but flu vaccines have a much higher "failure" rate)
7) yea, I'm not going to disagree with this. I recall Kentucky trying to enforce home quarantines and it just basically exposed there was no real willpower to enforce that at the time and in hindsight it was likely overkill. "Flatten the curve" was easier when people followed directions tho...
8) yea sure Cuomo was bad... sry, my instinctive response to dems are evil and corrupt (i agree) is always going to be ..."but the GOP is somehow more evil and corrupt.
 
@Canadian Bluebeer It looks like you missed everything that I wrote and linked to, because masks protect those who wear them too. There's plenty of evidence of that, but it's of course easy to ignore all of that if you want..
 
From the mayo clinic:



source

It's depressing how many people buy into pseudoscience and misinformation so easily

The most depressing thing is that in the next new pandemic - which will come - the politicians won't do anything to stop its spread. They continue to push lies about this last one, pretend it couldn't have ben handled better, and the lies focus on "souldn't have done anything", as in the end that was what they chose to do. This sets the stage for what is to be done in the next.
 
The most depressing thing is that in the next new pandemic - which will come - the politicians won't do anything to stop its spread. They continue to push lies about this last one, pretend it couldn't have ben handled better, and the lies focus on "souldn't have done anything", as in the end that was what they chose to do. This sets the stage for what is to be done in the next.
I'm looking for a review to the response that has been written up in 2024 and I'm having trouble... I'll get back to this hopefully.
 
Look man, you are in out of your depth here and as someone who is in this field I can tell you that all the scientific consensus supported the epidemiologists plans at the time, with the caveat that in hindsight covid was not as deadly as it first thought.

2) ok, sure
3) it does matter, your understanding of droplets and masks (you know the regular masks) seems very limited, or you are just misinformed (many Americans were misinformed badly about all this by morons and quacks out for a dollar, not to mention capitalist loving officials who really needed you to get back to the mines and did not mind lying to get you to go back to work.
4) Wuhan lab leaked, its actually documented at this point, The Lancet published an article denying this, but emails exposed later showed the same authors of that paper were involved in a coverup of a leak (last I knew anyways).
5) again your ignorance of basic medical knowledge is exposed here, covid is a virus, viral vaccines are never perfect because they shift so quickly. No vaccine is perfect but flu vaccines have a much higher "failure" rate)
7) yea, I'm not going to disagree with this. I recall Kentucky trying to enforce home quarantines and it just basically exposed there was no real willpower to enforce that at the time and in hindsight it was likely overkill. "Flatten the curve" was easier when people followed directions tho...
8) yea sure Cuomo was bad... sry, my instinctive response to dems are evil and corrupt (i agree) is always going to be ..."but the GOP is somehow more evil and corrupt.
3) yeah, problem was so much was labeled 'disinformation' 'misinformation' how to get the facts. The cheap masks didn't do much compared to the N95 type.
5) I've never had a flu shot, and never got the covid shot. No, no vaccine is perfect. Vaccine/Wiki There is still many questions about the covid one though. particularly the side effects. However, see above over "mis/disinformation". It seem that any questions about it were shut down. (see other places about Twitter/Facebook/Youtube over their handling of anything except "The Party Line(tm)".
Did the covid vaccine do what most people expect a vaccine to do? I don't think so. If you look at the wike article on Vaccine, you'll see interpretations that most people (yes Virginia, including me) didn't know, or didn't completely understand.
(So I was not entirely correct about this vaccine, but I'm not completely wrong either.)

Not just here. It's more of a theme.

naww, I poke at things, post etc. If I'm wrong, I will admit it. (I did on the J6 thing)

Eloquence? Subtlety? .... Me? hahaha! hardly.
"poor word choices"? oh my yes. see above.

@Canadian Bluebeer It looks like you missed everything that I wrote and linked to, because masks protect those who wear them too. There's plenty of evidence of that, but it's of course easy to ignore all of that if you want..

In fact, I DID miss the link. (awww nuts!!! I opened the other page in another tab, my reply showed at the bottom, I added a bunch more and then oops! closed the blasted tab)


"Medical masks​


Also called surgical masks, these are loosefitting disposable masks. They're meant to protect the wearer from contact with droplets and sprays that may contain germs. A medical mask also filters out large particles in the air when the wearer breathes in."

I always though those surgical masks were to protect the patient during surgery. (and c'mon, admit it. bet most of you did too!)

It does say they provide protection, slow covid, but take a look at what each mask does 'large droplets', etc. no specifics, or saying it specifically keeps covid out.

It also calls masks "respirators". Not what I think of when I hear that term.

... This is why I said the well is poisoned if another pandemic hits. Left or right, if you are a human, this is a BadThing(tm).\
 
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