Critical race theory

[Gorbles]

She's an author. We were talking about corporate diversity training. Even if they use her writing, that's a management decision.

Which is why I asked: have you actually seen what you described actually happen? Or is it purely hypothetical?

 

[Bestbank Tiger]

Not at my own workplace - diversity is something we do, not something we give lip service.

But even Newsweek reported on this at Coca-Cola, in spite of denials from outlets like Snopes:

Coca-Cola, facing backlash, says "be less white" learning plan was about workplace inclusion

"Our Better Together global learning curriculum is part of a learning plan to help build an inclusive workplace," said a Coca-Cola spokesperson.

www.newsweek.com

Picked that link because it's an admission against interest for them, unlike Fox or Red State.

As far as "she's an author", so is D'Angelo. Not sure what that has to do with anything.

 

[Bestbank Tiger]

Walmart did the same thing:

Walmart CRT Training Encourages Employees to Accept That ‘White Is Not Right’

Walmart has put more than 1,000 employees through a critical race theory training that teaches that the U.S. is a “white supremacy system” and that white trainees are guilty of “white supremacy thinking.”

news.yahoo.com

Hilarious that a bunch of white billionaires told people making starvation wages "you're privileged".

 

[Cloud_Strife]

are you telling us that even poor white people are incapable of being priviledged on the basis of their race?

 

[Bestbank Tiger]

Being poor is literally the opposite of being privileged.

 

[Synobun]

Yet again, the counterargument to privilege is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of what privilege even is.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Being poor is literally the opposite of being privileged.

Your inability to understand the fact that in when compared to a poor non-white person, white people, regardless of their soci-economic background, do not suffer the same (if any) insitutional racism and barriers based upon their (percieved) race or make up, is not my problem.

That's a you problem.

 

[Bestbank Tiger]

Your inability to understand the fact that in when compared to a poor non-white person, white people, regardless of their soci-economic background, do not suffer the same (if any) insitutional racism and barriers based upon their (percieved) race or make up, is not my problem.

That's a you problem.

You're right, people making $8 an hour are what's wrong with society and deserve to be berated on the basis of an iimmutable characteristic.

 

[Hygro]

You're right, people making $8 an hour are what's wrong with society and deserve to be berated on the basis of an iimmutable characteristic.

Yet again, the counterargument to privilege is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of what privilege even is.

 

[aelf]

Of course. There is a sort of vanity in that which is not always wrong. But it also highlights a fundamental weakness of the frame pivot from discrimination to privilege. If the story is told in the lens of discrimination, you have a hero(es). They have companions, and allies, and enemies, and the non-involved. The story, as it passes down, invites choosing the side of good. When the privilege is inborn, and the history immutable because the numberlords need to have a nice simple easy-virtue to knock down targets, it doesn't. The history is written, those who were wrong are wrong, and the strength of potential allies is ill-gotten.

The frame is terrible and heavy*. And the people imperfect and fickle. It doesn't bring out the best. Or, at the very least, its a degradation of what could be better.

*and yes, misused by malice. Of course.

I'm pretty sure that in the vast majority of cases, the "heaviness" of the "frame" is accompanied by the context I mentioned, where convincing the other party is very, very unlikely, whatever the "frame" might be.

 

[Bestbank Tiger]

Here's a good example of the difference between legitimate attempts to eliminate racism on one hand, and idiocy on the other.

2 + 2 is objectively 4, even if woke types tell you it's 5.

Arguing that "show your work" centers on the teacher's need to see the students thought process? That's a great disservice to the student. The teacher's job is to make sure the students learn the course material. It's literally why teachers exist. A student who doesn't learn the material will have a difficult time in adulthood - they'll have worse employment prospects, struggle with managing a household budget, be swindled by unscrupulous insurance agents and car salesmen...the consequences are endless.

Wokeism results in worse educational outcomes for black and Hispanic students. This link is Townhall but they link to original sources and I'm going to assume they didn't cook the numbers:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spenc...mocrats-arent-trusted-with-education-n2610459

 

[Cloud_Strife]

You're right, people making $8 an hour are what's wrong with society and deserve to be berated on the basis of an iimmutable characteristic.

Are white people subjected to the same levels of institutional racism that non white people are in the west?

Understand this my disingenuous friend, that there's only one right answer

 

[Farm Boy]

I'm pretty sure that in the vast majority of cases, the "heaviness" of the "frame" is accompanied by the context I mentioned, where convincing the other party is very, very unlikely, whatever the "frame" might be.

Which is why you hit what you're aiming for.

 

[sophie]

For someone to have privilege in some respect does not mean that person is maximally privileged in all respects.

A white male cis worker making $8 an hour does not, generally speaking, have to worry about being harassed or assaulted in a bathroom by a coworker. He does not have to deal with coworkers outright refusing to talk or work with him because of his gender. He does not have to weigh the benefits and risks of reporting a coworker for sexual harassment or assault because his boss or hr rep is a bigot or a misogynist or a terf who will disbelieve any accusation on principle. He doesn’t have to deal with being denied a job despite being the top candidate merely because he is in prime childbearing age and management doesn’t want to have to deal with someone who might go on parental leave in the next 5 years.

This does not mean white men have nothing to worry about, or that their lives are ideal or undeserving of sympathy, nor that they don’t have horsehockey bosses or toxic work environments. Privilege is about aggregate, abstract social relations. Transmisogyny is a fact of my life that I have to take into consideration in every social interaction. Because of the hierarchical nature of labor under capitalism this dynamic is rendered the more consequential in the workplace, such that I have to carefully monitor and control everything I say and do and dress while at work in a way that I did not have to do before I came out. These are considerations that simply never factor into your work life.

 

[Lexicus]

You're right, people making $8 an hour are what's wrong with society and deserve to be berated on the basis of an iimmutable characteristic.

@Hygro not exactly. This isn't demonstrating a misunderstanding of privilege, it's just changing the subject and doing a strawman for good measure.

 

[Henri Christophe]

are you telling us that even poor white people are incapable of being priviledged on the basis of their race?

Once I saw the gourmet homeless, a homeless dude who was considerated very handsome to be a homeless person, and even appear in television. He was white, blond and have blue eyes.

 

[citizenofdoom]

Here's a good example of the difference between legitimate attempts to eliminate racism on one hand, and idiocy on the other.

2 + 2 is objectively 4, even if woke types tell you it's 5.

Arguing that "show your work" centers on the teacher's need to see the students thought process? That's a great disservice to the student. The teacher's job is to make sure the students learn the course material. It's literally why teachers exist. A student who doesn't learn the material will have a difficult time in adulthood - they'll have worse employment prospects, struggle with managing a household budget, be swindled by unscrupulous insurance agents and car salesmen...the consequences are endless.

Wokeism results in worse educational outcomes for black and Hispanic students. This link is Townhall but they link to original sources and I'm going to assume they didn't cook the numbers:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spenc...mocrats-arent-trusted-with-education-n2610459

So true, I have never done math homework once in my secondary & high school. (it's real)
Back then I didn't have any excuse beside "it's too easy for me to do"
Now I have a better excuse: "Begone you white supremacist".
Not living in America but if geniuses already made that conclusion, it should be true.
#resisthomework
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brought me great laugh tbh. ty

 

[AdamCrock]

Personally I think those all race issues are only relevant in America, because You feel ashamed that You have used slaves, let me tell You. It is irrelevant for us other countries and we are not gonna kneel before a man just because he is black , for us there really is no difference what color are You.

 

[Henri Christophe]

Personally I think those all race issues are only relevant in America, because You feel ashamed that You have used slaves, let me tell You. It is irrelevant for us other countries and we are not gonna kneel before a man just because he is black , for us there really is no difference what color are You.

In Europe also have the issue with no white population, is kind of a xenophobia. To be black in Europe is just need to don't be white...

 

[Lexicus]

Personally I think those all race issues are only relevant in America, because You feel ashamed that You have used slaves, let me tell You.

This is true, but it's conservatives who are acting out in unhealthy ways because they don't want to deal with the shame