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Are you saying that Dr King transformed the content of their character from respectable to dispicable ghetto-gangster?
Wait, you took that picture's message seriously? Be honest - have you ever talked to a black person?
Are you saying that Dr King transformed the content of their character from respectable to dispicable ghetto-gangster?
Textbook Dunning-Kruger?Yeah this has been getting weirder and weirder for me. This forum talks about black people in a very other'd sense on a level that even women don't get here. At this point "some of my best friends are black" is starting to look like it counts for something :facepalm: Imagine being black and reading these threads. I wouldn't even bother. I'd probably just leave.
A couple months ago, one of us asked me if I was black in fiftychat a bit ago, asked it in a PM ostensibly so there'd be no room for offense. The quietness of the question made it go from being a reasonable but unexpected question to something that felt weird. Like being black was something to be hush about.
I try to offer a more reasonable voice in the discussion of race here but sometimes I can't help but feel like until we actually have black civvers in OT, I'm contributing to the alienation. I don't like any of it.
Maybe Dr King could anticipate the day when racism would be a social taboo and the racists could no longer talk openly about skin color but instead would judge people by the clothes they wear so they could call them thugs and dismiss them just as readily as they used to dismiss them as [deleted racial epithet].
Wait, you took that picture's message seriously? Be honest - have you ever talked to a black person?
So Archbob, you think that the difference in performance by these two groups indicates racism has functionally ended in the US and that crab mentality is completely responsible for any underperformance.
Have I understood correctly?
Wait, what year is it?(including all this crappy new-age hip-hop)
Are you saying that Dr King transformed the content of their character from respectable to dispicable ghetto-gangster?
Maybe... I guess if you look at my old posts here, especially when I was much younger, some were just a little bit racistTextbook Dunning-Kruger?
Hey everybody lets get on downWait, what year is it?
There's a big gray area between "you're not allowed to have an opinion" and the confidence with which many non-black people hold their opinions on what it means to be black. Maybe non-black people should hold their non-deferring beliefs with less certainty, and tread more lightly.It really is a pity that there aren't more (any?) black posters here to discuss issues such as these, but I can't agree with the traditional line, repeated every time the behavior of a black person is criticized:
"Well you're not black and you don't know what it's like to be black in America and can't possibly understand so just shut up and accept what you're being told by those who do".
There are so many problems with such line of thinking. First and foremost, "those who do" don't all share the same opinions (they are human beings after all, not members of some different species with a hive mentality). Additionally we, as humans, can still understand or at the very least try to understand situations that we did not experience. And, most shocking to some, we can indeed criticize some behaviors of people even though we did not experience all problems and obstacles they did. To use a rather hyperbolic example, it's not necessary to have lived in the chaos of Weimar Germany to legitimately criticize the choices and behaviors of many Germans of the time. This whole "you didn't walk you in my shoes so you can't judge me" thing has a certain merit, in a limited sense, but it can't be taken too far.
If the OP or whoever is misrepresenting something in the episode, by all means he should be corrected. But not told to shut up because he's not black.
There's a big gray area between "you're not allowed to have an opinion" and the confidence with which many non-black people hold their opinions on what it means to be black. Maybe non-black people should hold their non-deferring beliefs with less certainty, and tread more lightly.
The issue with black people as a while isn't on individuals, its that the mainstream culture that people see as ghettos and most famous black rappers,artists, etc aren't really helping that image. If all your songs are about bi*tches and ho-es and glorfying crime, thats what people are going to see you as. If you don't want that, tell your artists/culturalists to change that.
The link between rap lyrics and violence seems overrated. The claim that violent language causes violent behavior “is neither convincing nor conclusive
(United States Senate)”. Hip hop and rap are distinct forms of art like other types of music. The violent lyrics in the songs reflect the violence found in many
American cities, rather than create it. It is not only unfair but also naive to blame rap music for social violence (Violence in rap music).
When Stevie Wonder was asked about his thoughts on rap, he said:” I learn from rap…Listen hard, and you’ll hear the pain. Without feeling the pain yourself, you’ll never understand. And what we don’t understand, we can’t change, can’t heal. I hate it when the very folks who should be listening to rap are attacking it so hard they miss the point. The point is that children and the neighborhoods-the whole country… is drowning in violence” (Smitherman, 1997, in Carter, 2002).
So, hip-hop and rap music are rooted in violent, sexist and raunchy, profane themes; however, they should not be the only genres to be criticized or condemned. Violent movies and violence in the media have to be addressed as well.
Since art mirrors life, whatever movie we watch or music we listen to is only depicting this reality, it is not creating it. Although teens may be negatively affected by violence, violence exists everywhere, even in their homes, schools or work places. Rap music is not the only detrimental feature in their dysfunctional or imperfect world, and, should not be singled out as the only or the worst existing nightmare.
*It’s easy to blame simple minded rappers for promoting negative messages and images while multi billion dollar companies and shrewd businessmen who market these artists are free from criticism.
*It’s easy to blame someone like Chief Keef who becomes the obvious poster boy for mindless rap while Jimmy Iovine, the head of Interscope Records, keeps a low profile and avoids having to address his part in promoting “death through entertainment”.
*It’s easy to protest flavor of the month Trinidad James who raps about Molly, the industry’s latest fashionable drug, while Def Jam’ president Joie Manda proclaims his new discovery as “the cutting edge of what’s happening in the culture today.”
*It’s easy to blame talentless top 40 rappers for dominating the airwaves of so called hip hop radio stations like L.A.’s Power 106 or New York’s Hot 97 while Rick Cummings, president of programming for Emmis Communications, which owns both stations, isn’t held accountable for his part in broadcasting filth to millions of listeners.
*It’s easy to blame simple minded rappers for promoting negative messages and images while multi billion dollar companies and shrewd businessmen who market these artists are free from criticism.
*It’s easy to blame someone like Chief Keef who becomes the obvious poster boy for mindless rap while Jimmy Iovine, the head of Interscope Records, keeps a low profile and avoids having to address his part in promoting “death through entertainment”.
*It’s easy to protest flavor of the month Trinidad James who raps about Molly, the industry’s latest fashionable drug, while Def Jam’ president Joie Manda proclaims his new discovery as “the cutting edge of what’s happening in the culture today.”
*It’s easy to blame talentless top 40 rappers for dominating the airwaves of so called hip hop radio stations like L.A.’s Power 106 or New York’s Hot 97 while Rick Cummings, president of programming for Emmis Communications, which owns both stations, isn’t held accountable for his part in broadcasting filth to millions of listeners
This is not a relevant point and it only serves as an attempt to make one of the biggest problems with black culture in the US still seem like the "white man's" fault.
As far as I'm concerned record executives are more or less free from blame because they only promote what the masses have indicated they want. I mean sure, they could take a moral stand and refuse to publish that kind of music, but if it's what the people want then their record companies wouldn't be around very long and someone would publish it eventually.
The rappers themselves on the other hand are 100% to blame for the quality and content of their music. I seriously doubt the record executives are holding a gun to their heads and forcing them to write lyrics about assaulting women and killing people who "dissed" them or how cool it is to be irresponsible by drinking and partying all the time. In fact, their lyrics before they got discovered are usually much more vulgar and violent and it is the record executives that get them to tone it down a bit.