Croatia votes on EU Membership

[NedimNapoleon]

Its in a personal union.

 

[Virote_Considon]

But you already can play as Croatia!

Yeah, in the current installment of EU, sure. But this referendum isn't looking to the past, it's looking to the future - the issue of Croatia's inclusion in the EU4 Supragame is of paramount importance.

 

[kronic]

Even though I am a HUGE euroskeptic, there are benefits to being members of a free trade zone, which was were all this started after WWII. Its the EMU (European Monetary Union) and stronger political integration that's complete crap. All this boils down to the French trying to one up the Germans and the Germans getting the last laugh like always.

Like always? When I look at Germany today and a hundred years ago I don't think it is us who have the last laugh...

 

[Godwynn]

Like always? When I look at Germany today and a hundred years ago I don't think it is us who have the last laugh...

That's just the thing someone who got the last laugh would say...

 

[Gen.Mannerheim]

Like always? When I look at Germany today and a hundred years ago I don't think it is us who have the last laugh...

In economic terms, the rebuilt Germany was the winner of the post WWII Europe. Even just half of Germany was a stronger economy and currency than France, the next biggest and most obstinate competitor. By the 70's the D-Mark had become the reserve currency of Europe and most European central banks pegged their rates and policy to the Bundesbank. And the funny thing is the the German government didn't do many things intentionally to promote this. In fact, Europeans complained that German bankers never did enough to economically stabilize the rest of west Europe at the time, but still followed their policies anyways.

 

[Quackers]

Then again they lost 1/3 of territory in the East, lost millions of Germans in two world wars, had there country split in two for 46 years and they have a guilty national conscious which won't be clean for a 1000 years!

 

[Gen.Mannerheim]

Then again they lost 1/3 of territory in the East, lost millions of Germans in two world wars, had there country split in two for 46 years and they have a guilty national conscious which won't be clean for a 1000 years!

I'm sorry, what does any of this have to do with my point that Germany has been an economic super-success since 1945? Please see the word economic in the first sentence...

 

[Quackers]

Hey I'll post whatever I please and if you don't like it, ignore it and stfu.
I'm just answering Kronic's point about looking at Germany 100 years ago and today.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

It is also very arguable if Germany wouldn't have been a greater economic success after '45 without the need to be rebuild. After all, those industries kicking after WWII were already present before.

 

[Virote_Considon]

I'm sorry, what does any of this have to do with my point that Germany has been an economic super-success since 1945? Please see the word economic in the first sentence...

It has to do with the fact that this economic success was not just on the back of the hardships he described, but precisely because of them. Germany lost big time in the past 100 years, and these losses forced them to wise up, leading to their the success since '45. You can't praise their success without taking into account the very dire context it was achieved in.

 

[Traitorfish]

The EU is like a mugged man whose wallet has already gone, but the Croatians are hoping there is still time to rummage through the pockets and pick up some spare change.

Sometimes I think it would be easier if you listed all the people who aren't out to get you.

 

[Virote_Considon]

Sometimes I think it would be easier if you listed all the people who aren't out to get you.

Him*.
His money.

That is all.


(* Only includes his mind maybe, because parts of his body are most certainly out to get him. For one, his digestive system continuously seeks to requisition his well-deserved hard earnings upon threat of the torture of starvation. They said they'd abolished slavery, when really all they did was rename it "hunger")

 

[Gen.Mannerheim]

It has to do with the fact that this economic success was not just on the back of the hardships he described, but precisely because of them. Germany lost big time in the past 100 years, and these losses forced them to wise up, leading to their the success since '45. You can't praise their success without taking into account the very dire context it was achieved in.

Thank you, that was the kind of intelligent response that I was looking for when I asked. I don't know why he had to get on his high horse and act like my question on a debate forum was an insult.

 

[Godwynn]

Hey I'll post whatever I please and if you don't like it, ignore it and stfu.
I'm just answering Kronic's point about looking at Germany 100 years ago and today.

Let's compare the size of Britain 100 years ago and today.

usa #1

 

[Terxpahseyton]

Err.. how depended Germany's economic success on the dire context? That's quit a huge assumption. At least that's the assumption if there is supposed to be a meaningful connection between what Quackers, Mannerheim and Virote Considon posted.
And to be fair Mannerheim, your question was snobbish in tone.

Please see the word economic in the first sentence...

Let's compare the size of Britain 100 years ago and today.

usa #1

That seems like fun. Now, let's compare the size of the USA and Canada.

 

[Gen.Mannerheim]

Ok even if I was on the snobbish side, this is an online forum, everything everybody says is part troll, part snarky, and part legitimate.

Also,
Britain lost entire empire.
U.S. bunch of new states, pacific islands, and the U.S. virgin isles.
Canada=Canada

 

[Virote_Considon]

Err.. how depended Germany's economic success on the dire context?

Because as well as the industrial apparatus, Germany's economic success was very much driven by political forces: its sound post-war fiscal policies and also its position within the Common Market for example.

 

[Traitorfish]

Also,
Britain lost entire empire.
U.S. bunch of new states, pacific islands, and the U.S. virgin isles.
Canada=Canada

Canada gained Newfoundland and Labrador, which is actually rather bigger than anything the US gained.

Besides, the the winner is clearly India, which went from 0km^2 to 3,287,263 km^2. Hard to beat, that.

 

[Gen.Mannerheim]

Canada gained Newfoundland and Labrador, which is actually rather bigger than anything the US gained.

Good call, those two completely slipped my mind.

 

[kochman]

It has to do with the fact that this economic success was not just on the back of the hardships he described, but precisely because of them. Germany lost big time in the past 100 years, and these losses forced them to wise up, leading to their the success since '45. You can't praise their success without taking into account the very dire context it was achieved in.

And massive aid in the form of the Marshall Plan