Marla_Singer
United in diversity
Croatia in, UK out.
That's good for the EU public debt and deficit average.
That's good for the EU public debt and deficit average.
Croatia votes on EU Membership
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Virote_Considon
The Great Dictator
Croatia in, France out.
That's good for the EU credit rating statistics.
That's good for the EU credit rating statistics.
Marla_Singer
United in diversity
OK: 1-1
Waiting for kick off.
Waiting for kick off.
Gen.Mannerheim
Grand Moff
Lord I hope the Brits get the hellz out of the EU. They add nothing to the Union and don't get anything out either. Same with Denmark. The Danes don't need to be suckered into the eurozone.
Quick google search revealed that Croatia was downgraded to BBB- in 2010, so unless they made a marvelous change for the better, that's nonsense.Croatia in, France out.
That's good for the EU credit rating statistics.
Winner
Diverse in Unity
Danish crown is pegged to the Euro, so for all intents and purposes it's like Denmark already was in the Eurozone, just without sharing any of the benefits. But hey, if that's what they want...
Quackers
The Frog
They don't know what they are getting into!
It's rather the opposite. Think about it. Yes, they have no influence on interest rates and other monetary decisions done in the Eurozone but look what they have on their side: low/moderate inflation (through the peg), an opt-out on the costs of Eurozone bailouts (for the most part) while enjoying a stealth bailout as the Eurozone, the IMF and others scramble to stabilise the European banking system, a "non-Euro" label that apparently bodes well with investors and rating agencies (as reflected in the low cost of Danish debt despite a very high level of private indebtedness), and at least two monetary policy tools available that Eurozone countries don't have: The Danes can engage in QE or fire up the printing press, and they can break the peg anytime and let their currency float if they thought it necessary. For the moment, the Danish situation is overwhelmingly better than that of any Eurozone member if you ask me.
It gets you the benefit of pandering to your EU-skeptic population.
Gen.Mannerheim
Grand Moff
Took the words right out of my mouth. I also hope Iceland sets up a similar system to Denmark, it just leaves one with so many options.
Benefactor
Beneficial
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Virote_Considon
The Great Dictator
Yeah, when I voted in the Croatian polls (totally did, honest!) I thought it was because we were voting to decide whether our country would be an available nation in the next Europa Universalis installation.
Quite so, sir. Is the EU some kind of fruit, or something?
The EU is like a mugged man whose wallet has already gone, but the Croatians are hoping there is still time to rummage through the pockets and pick up some spare change.
Gen.Mannerheim
Grand Moff
Even though I am a HUGE euroskeptic, there are benefits to being members of a free trade zone, which was were all this started after WWII. Its the EMU (European Monetary Union) and stronger political integration that's complete crap. All this boils down to the French trying to one up the Germans and the Germans getting the last laugh like always.
Virote_Considon
The Great Dictator
During most of the time they were Hapsburg-controlled. The argument from the Opposition was that a sovereign Croatian entity would not be needed during the main portion of the game; the Government was firm in its conviction that allowing a Croatian state to exist in the game in some form could be a good thing.
Nope.
How can you be a Euroskeptic? You're not European. You being a Euroskeptic is like me being a USA-Skeptic, and declaring that California should obviously leave the US as it just plainly isn't working out for them. Europatriotism is something you'll never be able to identify with - in the same vein that you won't with Chinese patriotism, Turkish patriotism, Islamic patriotism, Arabic patriotism, African patriotism, etc. The only reason that you could be Euroskeptic is that in all honesty you're subconsciously afraid that a united Europe would hold firmer ground for its own interests vs. American interests than the old Divide-And-Rule approach.
The political integration is a very good thing. The French aren't trying to one-up the Germans; in fact throughout the EU's history, the loose French-German alliance has been the strongest partnership.
But you already can play as Croatia!
