Croatia joins EU 1st of July 2013

[IkM]

Congrats to Crotia.

btw, I don't want Turkey join the EU. Turkey needs her own union with Altaic countries. There are 7 independent Turkic states + lots of autonomous Turkic states + Mongolia. we would be more powerful than EU. maybe Hungary would be part of our union.

anyway, we don't need europeans, we can't live together, we are different and I hope, it won't change.

edit: we took a step, check this. maybe isn't a big step but I believe there will be more.

 

[Aleksey_aka_al]

And what are you basing this on? At least lay out reasons for this supposed collapse or we might as well predict the collapse of several segments of RF or transformation into a metanational corporation.

EU is highly ideological entity. It is not a master of its ideology, America is, so the very basis of it lies outside and uncontrolled. The ideology as it is is in contradiction with the reality, with human nature and with what happens in EU. And because of the bias on all levels Europeans have no apparent means to overcome those contradictions, instead they play panic blindness.

Capitalism is at its end, and so USA and EU are no longer friends. Anglo-Saxons, as a political entity, are practical to the point of immorality so they won't doubt a minute to sacrifice EU for the sake of their own survival in post-capitalist world. UK is very obvious from the start of how it percieves EU and its place relative to it.

Germany, the center and the operator behind EU, is an occupied country actually, if you get rid of all the propagandish shucks. Neither it is boss of its own finance, that is gold which is kept in Anglo-Saxon countries and the bank system which command center is Wall Street. The same can be said of every EU country.

Further, EU tries to mimic globalization inside itself at the expense of its relatively old and new members. Those to the south and to the east are no more than market for an original couple of states. Countries such as Poland and Baltic States are deindustrialized.

Capitalist system depends on constant growth. And while there's world-wide crisis of growth EU has reached its growth limits in every sphere, be it demography, expansion or whatever. "Croatia joins EU", how much is that less than "Poland joins EU"? – and there will be no bigger joins in the future.

 

[Traitorfish]

btw, I don't want Turkey join the EU. Turkey needs her own union with Altaic countries. There are 7 independent Turkic states + lots of autonomous Turkic states + Mongolia. we would be more powerful than EU. maybe Hungary would be part of our union.

In the real world, multi-national confederations are generally not formed on the basis of eccentric race-theories.

 

[Takhisis]

Aleksey, I think you have quite a bit of confirmation bias there.

 

[Aleksey_aka_al]

The topic is broad. I've just summarized how I see it. Pick a random point of it to discuss, if you want. Better one than more.

 

[Borachio]

Aleksey, I think you have quite a bit of confirmation bias there.

Is that a euphemism for "bollocks"?

Let's take the first point: the EU is an ideological entity but not the author of it - the US is behind it all.

Somehow I don't think that's how the founders of the EU saw it at all. I think they were acting entirely in their own economic (and later, perhaps, political) interests.

 

[Kyriakos]

Maybe. But it is still possible that the U in reality stands for Ustase.

 

[Borachio]

Really? You think that the Eurocrats are just a bunch of fascists? I know the EU has its drawbacks, but I've never thought of it in those terms.

 

[Kyriakos]

Well, i do not know at all what the letters mean, but this looks hilarious:

(edit, pic removed due to possible curse in serbo-croat in it)

 

[Silurian]

Maybe. But it is still possible that the U in reality stands for Ustase.

It seems a bit implausible to me.

 

[Borachio]

Well, i do not know at all what the letters mean, but this looks hilarious:

I can't make anything of that. Other than it's the McDonald's clown.

"Where are you, Ustase?"

 

[GoodSarmatian]

"Where are you, Ustase?"

Literally correct, but the sentence 'Where are you' is also used as a greeting like 'How are you'.
The second sentence is 'Now I'm going to screw you'.

 

[Borachio]

Oh right. Thanks. I couldn't even figure out what language it is.

 

[Kyriakos]

Well if it means that then sorry for posting, i had no idea

Still is funny though, given that even a clown is angry at the Ustase...

 

[Takhisis]

Is that a euphemism for "bollocks"?

Not quite. [wiki]Confirmation bias[/wiki] is something you should read up on.

Let's take the first point: the EU is an ideological entity but not the author of it - the US is behind it all.

Somehow I don't think that's how the founders of the EU saw it at all. I think they were acting entirely in their own economic (and later, perhaps, political) interests.

Warfare is an extension of diplomacy by other means, Mr. B.

 

[Winner]

In 10-15 years there will be no traces of EU. Long time to wait if you want to be realistic, so I'd say it is very much possible EU will cease to exist in 5-6 years and I bet symbolical $10 on the latter .

Agreed, but make it €10

There's actually a serious reintegration process ongoing. So the time you see EU collapses a renovated entity will rise here.

*chuckles softly*

And demography was never a problem during the Soviet times.

Sure, repressive totalitarian hellholes are usually better at forcing people into unsustainable reproductive strategies long past the point where natural demographic processes would reduce the size of average families.

So what? Seriously. What are you suggesting considering Russian-Chinese relations?

My point is that although geographically, a large part of Russia lies outside of Europe, Demographically and culturally, Russia is a European country.

Actually, your exceptionalist nonsense is nearly as amusing as the American and English variants

 

[Takhisis]

Why are you making a bet in a currency that'll disappear if you have to pay for the bet? Best make it in florins or złotys, man!

 

[Kyriakos]

Given where Winner lives, he should probably make the bet in rubles

 

[Peck of Arabia]

This transaction, like all economic transactions, would be best if backed by gold

 

[Winner]

Why are you making a bet in a currency that'll disappear if you have to pay for the bet? Best make it in florins or złotys, man!

It applies to him. I'll give it in dollars, if he prefers. It shows my utter confidence that both the EU and Euro will still be here in 10 years.