CTIV-2: The Money Game
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@Conroe: Can you play it tonight? If so we'll call it a swap. I'm going to be out of town tonight so won't be able to play at all. The earliest I can get to it is Thursday afternoon.
That’s odd, nearly every AI has their Economy civic as Decentralized. Apparently the AI isn’t good at picking their civics either. Saladin is the one who is using Mercantilism, so we’re good there. Our borders are currently closed with him.
The catapult build only needs one shield so I switch two citizens from the forested grass to coastal tiles. It only gains us eight beakers.
I don’t quite understand this as Hangzhou will finish its bank in three turns. I’m guessing you meant a different city.
Turn 275 (1810 AD)
Shanghai finishes: Catapult
Tianjin finishes: Granary
Methos: I decide to whip the granary here to increase growth. We lose two pop and are down to size two. With the improved fish resource and completed granary it’ll grow quickly. It’s at +6 food.
Turn 276 (1812 AD)
Shanghai begins: University
Tianjin begins: Harbor
Methos: Send the workboat to the crabs
Methos: Decide to max Shanghai in growth so fire the specialists for the moment.
Methos: Decide to go ahead and whip Guan. We're now at +1 unhappy for 19 turns.
Methos: Correction: +2 unhappy
Guangzhou grows: 6
Guangzhou finishes: Courthouse
Shandong grows: 2
Turn 277 (1814 AD)
Guangzhou begins: University
Methos: The Khan comes calling and demands we stop trading with Hatty. I decline. We're now at +0 with him.
Methos: Crap! I was sure I sent the workboat to the crabs. Oh well, we have another source of clams. I'll rectify that ASAP.
Methos: Hmm, looking around I don't see us having another source of crabs.
Nanjing finishes: Granary
Hangzhou finishes: Bank
Tianjin grows: 3
Kaifeng grows: 2
Turn 278 (1816 AD)
Nanjing begins: Library
Hangzhou begins: Harbor
Methos: I whip the work boat in Kaifeng so it can use the improved fish.
Beijing begins: Wall Street
Methos: Since Beijing has the best gold imput I switch to Wall Street.
Guangzhou grows: 7
Xian grows: 9
Shandong's borders expand
Kaifeng finishes: Work Boat
Turn 279 (1818 AD)
Kaifeng begins: Lighthouse
Kaifeng begins: Work Boat
Tech learned: Physics
Al-Razi (Great Scientist) born in Beijing
Chengdu finishes: Market
Turn 280 (1820 AD)
Research begun: Electricity
Research begun: Replaceable Parts
Research begun: Steam Power
Research begun: Assembly Line
Research begun: Industrialism
Chengdu begins: Bank
Beijing finishes: Academy
Methos: Build the Academy in Beijing. This brings our beakers from 142 to 191.
Guangzhou grows: 8
Tianjin grows: 4
Macau grows: 2
Kaifeng's borders expand
Turn 281 (1822 AD)
Methos: I whip a work boat in Macau, bringing our population from two to one. Improving the clams will speed it up growth-wise.
Macau finishes: Work Boat
Turn 282 (1824 AD)
Methos: JC demands we stop trading with Hatty. Hmm, seems like people are starting not to like her. We should watch this.
Guangzhou grows: 9
Xian finishes: Grocer
Tianjin grows: 5
Kaifeng grows: 2
Turn 283 (1826 AD)
Xian begins: Library
Methos: Genghis demands Printing Press. After looking around at the demographics and graphs I decide to say no. He doesn't declare.
Tianjin's borders expand
Turn 284 (1828 AD)
Methos: Genghis just canceled our Open Borders agreement. That can't be good.
Nanjing grows: 11
Turn 285 (1830 AD)
Watch Tianjin every time it grows. The computer keeps putting setting the new citizen as a citizen specialist.
We are currently able to build the Forbidden Palace but I had no idea where we wanted it. Our production isn’t very good so there aren’t very many places that are good.
I’ve removed several of the specialists in order to improve growth. I was trying to maximize growth and than switch back to specialists. Please note this as it’ll need to be changed eventually.
Here’s the 1830 AD save.
Roster:
ChrTh
Methos- Just Played
Conroe- Up
Bede- On Deck
Variant Rules:
Required Builds (all cities of size 3 or higher must build once available unless there is a military requirement -- they can finish what they're working on first; in case of National Wonders, must build asap):
Banks
Grocer
Harbor
Market
Forbidden Palace
Wall Street
Preferred Builds (Try very hard to build)
----
Courthouse
Forge
Colossus
Eiffel Tower
Great Lighthouse
Statue of Liberty
Versailles
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Just curious, as I've been told that some/many people don't like looking at the autologger. Do you all find the autologger notes annoying or hard to read? If so I have no problem with myself not using it anymore. I would just like to get a feel of my teammates opinions. I've also noticed that I am one of the few who still uses it. Give your honest opinion please, and it would probably be better to PM me so it doesn't detract from the game. Thanks for any imput.
The catapult build only needs one shield so I switch two citizens from the forested grass to coastal tiles. It only gains us eight beakers.
ChrTh said:
I don’t quite understand this as Hangzhou will finish its bank in three turns. I’m guessing you meant a different city.
Turn 275 (1810 AD)
Shanghai finishes: Catapult
Tianjin finishes: Granary
Methos: I decide to whip the granary here to increase growth. We lose two pop and are down to size two. With the improved fish resource and completed granary it’ll grow quickly. It’s at +6 food.
Turn 276 (1812 AD)
Shanghai begins: University
Tianjin begins: Harbor
Methos: Send the workboat to the crabs
Methos: Decide to max Shanghai in growth so fire the specialists for the moment.
Methos: Decide to go ahead and whip Guan. We're now at +1 unhappy for 19 turns.
Methos: Correction: +2 unhappy
Guangzhou grows: 6
Guangzhou finishes: Courthouse
Shandong grows: 2
Turn 277 (1814 AD)
Guangzhou begins: University
Methos: The Khan comes calling and demands we stop trading with Hatty. I decline. We're now at +0 with him.
Methos: Crap! I was sure I sent the workboat to the crabs. Oh well, we have another source of clams. I'll rectify that ASAP.
Methos: Hmm, looking around I don't see us having another source of crabs.
Nanjing finishes: Granary
Hangzhou finishes: Bank
Tianjin grows: 3
Kaifeng grows: 2
Turn 278 (1816 AD)
Nanjing begins: Library
Hangzhou begins: Harbor
Methos: I whip the work boat in Kaifeng so it can use the improved fish.
Beijing begins: Wall Street
Methos: Since Beijing has the best gold imput I switch to Wall Street.
Guangzhou grows: 7
Xian grows: 9
Shandong's borders expand
Kaifeng finishes: Work Boat
Turn 279 (1818 AD)
Kaifeng begins: Lighthouse
Kaifeng begins: Work Boat
Tech learned: Physics
Al-Razi (Great Scientist) born in Beijing
Chengdu finishes: Market
Turn 280 (1820 AD)
Research begun: Electricity
Research begun: Replaceable Parts
Research begun: Steam Power
Research begun: Assembly Line
Research begun: Industrialism
Chengdu begins: Bank
Beijing finishes: Academy
Methos: Build the Academy in Beijing. This brings our beakers from 142 to 191.
Guangzhou grows: 8
Tianjin grows: 4
Macau grows: 2
Kaifeng's borders expand
Turn 281 (1822 AD)
Methos: I whip a work boat in Macau, bringing our population from two to one. Improving the clams will speed it up growth-wise.
Macau finishes: Work Boat
Turn 282 (1824 AD)
Methos: JC demands we stop trading with Hatty. Hmm, seems like people are starting not to like her. We should watch this.
Guangzhou grows: 9
Xian finishes: Grocer
Tianjin grows: 5
Kaifeng grows: 2
Turn 283 (1826 AD)
Xian begins: Library
Methos: Genghis demands Printing Press. After looking around at the demographics and graphs I decide to say no. He doesn't declare.
Tianjin's borders expand
Turn 284 (1828 AD)
Methos: Genghis just canceled our Open Borders agreement. That can't be good.
Nanjing grows: 11
Turn 285 (1830 AD)
Watch Tianjin every time it grows. The computer keeps putting setting the new citizen as a citizen specialist.
We are currently able to build the Forbidden Palace but I had no idea where we wanted it. Our production isn’t very good so there aren’t very many places that are good.
I’ve removed several of the specialists in order to improve growth. I was trying to maximize growth and than switch back to specialists. Please note this as it’ll need to be changed eventually.
Here’s the 1830 AD save.
Roster:
ChrTh
Methos- Just Played
Conroe- Up
Bede- On Deck
Variant Rules:
Required Builds (all cities of size 3 or higher must build once available unless there is a military requirement -- they can finish what they're working on first; in case of National Wonders, must build asap):
Banks
Grocer
Harbor
Market
Forbidden Palace
Wall Street
Preferred Builds (Try very hard to build)
----
Courthouse
Forge
Colossus
Eiffel Tower
Great Lighthouse
Statue of Liberty
Versailles
Just curious, as I've been told that some/many people don't like looking at the autologger. Do you all find the autologger notes annoying or hard to read? If so I have no problem with myself not using it anymore. I would just like to get a feel of my teammates opinions. I've also noticed that I am one of the few who still uses it. Give your honest opinion please, and it would probably be better to PM me so it doesn't detract from the game. Thanks for any imput.
ChrTh
Happy Yule!
Methos said:
No, I meant Hangzhou. I thought we could save two turns
I'm not very good at figuring where the best site would be for the FP. I was considering placing it in the city south of Shanghai (Naijing or something). The city on it's own island that has either iron or copper. It has decent production and I believe a -6 maintainence cost (no counting the courthouse effects).
I wasn't sure about any other good spots.
I wasn't sure about any other good spots.
Nanjing, on the island south of Shanghai, is where we built Versailles. We would see no benefit having both in the same city. I would suggest putting the FP on either Easter Island or possibly the gems island. If it is the gems island, those cities will need time to grow out before they have the shields to build the FP, though. Would the variant allow us to wait to start constructing the FP?Methos said:
Is it safe to assume that Genghis is going to declare on us? He's cancelled open borders. He is currently annoyed. He is unwilling to trade with us. This really isn't looking good from a diplomatic view point. We have a tech advantage on him, but he has the largest army and we are 4th.Methos said:
ChrTh
Happy Yule!
Since we have Versailles, I think we can wait on building the FP. I'm not too worried about Genghis yet. But just in case, we might want to get our troops in position.
ChrTh
Happy Yule!
Methos said:
There's nothing wrong with not giving in. Remember the purpose of this game: determining what the benefits of a financial focus are. It may be that financial-focused Civs are better at maintaining a strong tech pace while fighting a war with a Civ on the other side of the ocean, or it may mean we'll get our azzes whooped. Only way to find out is to see what happens.
Situation Assessment: Based upon Methos' turn log, I believe there is a possiblity that Khan will declare on us. He has the largest army, with a third more troops than we have, of any civ. And, based upon the map, he could easily come from either or both directions. He is currently running the Theocracy and Vassalage (+2xp from each) civics. That is the bad news. The good news is we hold a comfortable tech lead. I would estimate that his best troops would be Knights and/or Muskets. Since he has such a distance to travel to get to us, I think a navy would be our best defense. Sink any invader before they can land. Plus with the large amount of water tiles that we are working, a naval presence will make blockades that much more difficult.
The power graph shows that Caesar has been building up troops lately. While he is currently cautious with us, I do wonder if he isn't preparing for war. Possibly it would be against Spain or Egypt, both of which he finds annoying.
We are currently 6 turns from completing the Electricity research. I am considering switching it to Replaceable Parts. This would open up Rifling as one of our two optional techs, should the need arise. Plus, the extra shield boost from having lumbermills would be nice.
The chancery reports that we have 532 gold and are spending it at -80gpt with 100% on the research slider. At this rate, we will be out of money in 6 or 7 turns. Mecca is currently on track to give us our next leader with a 79% chance of a merchant in 26 turns. Then say another 10 turns in a boat, if it is a merchant, before a trade mission could be concluded. I am going to have to dial back the research slider.
Overall, we are in pretty good shape. The demographics screen shows us ranking 1st in the top 3 categories.
Objectives: Since our variant allows us to forego required builds in light of a military requirement, I plan on expanding our navy.
Turn 0 - 1830AD: Beijing currently has 21 turns left on its construction of the Wall Street. By firing the 2 merchants, and leaving the engineer, it drops to 13 turns. This decision cost the treasury 12gpt in lost revenue.
To compensate, I hire 3 more merchants in the ice fishing village of Guangzhou. It had 8 excess food and after growth will be stagnant. Our next leader will now be from Guangzhou, in 16 turns, with a currently 78% chance of a Great Merchant.
The research slider is lowered to 90% and we are now spending at only -10gpt. It does add a turn to the Electricity research, though. I swap it out for Replaceable Parts in 5 turns.
I preempt the builds at Macau and Shandong for Granaries. I also MM the cities to sacrafice growth for the extra hammers. Once the granaries are built, they will need to be MM'ed again for growth.
Two of our Caravels have accumulated some experience. One is currently in our waters and I upgrade it to a Frigate for 115 gold. The other I head home so that it too can be upgraded.
IBT: Isabella comes calling asking us to join her in her war against Saladin. She is currently pleased with us at a net +7, so I go ahead and decline. Then, Capac comes calling asking for a free handout in the form of Liberalism. He is cautious at +3, but I decline anyway.
Turn 1 - 1832AD: The icy wasteland city of Hangzhou completes its Harbor and I start it on a Worker. The city is 2 turns away from being at max population. Our newest city of Kaifeng completes a Work Boat and begins construction of a Granary.
I upgrade our other experienced Caravel to a Frigate for 115 gold. We are down to 292 gold in the bank.
Turn 2 - 1834AD: Nanjing, on the southern island, completes its Library and starts on a Frigate.
IBT: Genghis begins a golden age.
Turn 3 - 1836AD:
IBT: Hattie wants to trade silk for gems. I decline, considering how much the other AI think of her.
Turn 4 - 1838AD: Replaceable Parts is learned and I resume Electricity. JC has Rifling, but, like Replaceable Parts, is unwilling to trade for it. Nobody else has any techs to trade for.
In an effort to improve our relations, I sell Khan our spare gems for 7gpt.
Turn 5 - 1840AD:
Turn 6 - 1842AD: Hangzhou completes the Worker and starts another one.
IBT: Saladin and Isabella kiss and make up.
Turn 7 - 1844AD:
Turn 8 - 1846AD: Xian completes a Library and starts construction of a Frigate.
Turn 9 - 1848AD:
IBT: Khan's golden age concludes.
Turn 10 - 1850AD: Chengdu completes its Bank and starts on a Frigate.
Uneventful set of turns. I've got one of our Frigates just outside of Khan's borders keeping an eye out for any fleets heading our way. Our lone remaining Caravel has just arrived at Kahn's territory. It will be able to sail into his waters and actually look at what kind of troop build up that he was doing during his golden age. JC may actually be the bigger threat, as he also has access to Frigates.
Right now, we have the strongest ships on the seas. But that will not remain so for long. And, with our variant, it is going to be a long time before we can research Combustion to get access to Destroyers.
The power graph shows that Caesar has been building up troops lately. While he is currently cautious with us, I do wonder if he isn't preparing for war. Possibly it would be against Spain or Egypt, both of which he finds annoying.
We are currently 6 turns from completing the Electricity research. I am considering switching it to Replaceable Parts. This would open up Rifling as one of our two optional techs, should the need arise. Plus, the extra shield boost from having lumbermills would be nice.
The chancery reports that we have 532 gold and are spending it at -80gpt with 100% on the research slider. At this rate, we will be out of money in 6 or 7 turns. Mecca is currently on track to give us our next leader with a 79% chance of a merchant in 26 turns. Then say another 10 turns in a boat, if it is a merchant, before a trade mission could be concluded. I am going to have to dial back the research slider.
Overall, we are in pretty good shape. The demographics screen shows us ranking 1st in the top 3 categories.
Objectives: Since our variant allows us to forego required builds in light of a military requirement, I plan on expanding our navy.
Turn 0 - 1830AD: Beijing currently has 21 turns left on its construction of the Wall Street. By firing the 2 merchants, and leaving the engineer, it drops to 13 turns. This decision cost the treasury 12gpt in lost revenue.
To compensate, I hire 3 more merchants in the ice fishing village of Guangzhou. It had 8 excess food and after growth will be stagnant. Our next leader will now be from Guangzhou, in 16 turns, with a currently 78% chance of a Great Merchant.
The research slider is lowered to 90% and we are now spending at only -10gpt. It does add a turn to the Electricity research, though. I swap it out for Replaceable Parts in 5 turns.
I preempt the builds at Macau and Shandong for Granaries. I also MM the cities to sacrafice growth for the extra hammers. Once the granaries are built, they will need to be MM'ed again for growth.
Two of our Caravels have accumulated some experience. One is currently in our waters and I upgrade it to a Frigate for 115 gold. The other I head home so that it too can be upgraded.
IBT: Isabella comes calling asking us to join her in her war against Saladin. She is currently pleased with us at a net +7, so I go ahead and decline. Then, Capac comes calling asking for a free handout in the form of Liberalism. He is cautious at +3, but I decline anyway.
Turn 1 - 1832AD: The icy wasteland city of Hangzhou completes its Harbor and I start it on a Worker. The city is 2 turns away from being at max population. Our newest city of Kaifeng completes a Work Boat and begins construction of a Granary.
I upgrade our other experienced Caravel to a Frigate for 115 gold. We are down to 292 gold in the bank.
Turn 2 - 1834AD: Nanjing, on the southern island, completes its Library and starts on a Frigate.
IBT: Genghis begins a golden age.
Turn 3 - 1836AD:
IBT: Hattie wants to trade silk for gems. I decline, considering how much the other AI think of her.
Turn 4 - 1838AD: Replaceable Parts is learned and I resume Electricity. JC has Rifling, but, like Replaceable Parts, is unwilling to trade for it. Nobody else has any techs to trade for.
In an effort to improve our relations, I sell Khan our spare gems for 7gpt.
Turn 5 - 1840AD:
Turn 6 - 1842AD: Hangzhou completes the Worker and starts another one.
IBT: Saladin and Isabella kiss and make up.
Turn 7 - 1844AD:
Turn 8 - 1846AD: Xian completes a Library and starts construction of a Frigate.
Turn 9 - 1848AD:
IBT: Khan's golden age concludes.
Turn 10 - 1850AD: Chengdu completes its Bank and starts on a Frigate.
Uneventful set of turns. I've got one of our Frigates just outside of Khan's borders keeping an eye out for any fleets heading our way. Our lone remaining Caravel has just arrived at Kahn's territory. It will be able to sail into his waters and actually look at what kind of troop build up that he was doing during his golden age. JC may actually be the bigger threat, as he also has access to Frigates.
Right now, we have the strongest ships on the seas. But that will not remain so for long. And, with our variant, it is going to be a long time before we can research Combustion to get access to Destroyers.
ChrTh
Happy Yule!
Roster:
ChrTh- On Deck
Methos
Conroe - Just Played
Bede - Up
We can use the 2 free techs to do Steel > Railroad, which would allow us to do Combustion once we finish the beeline. That, however, would reduce our chances of getting SoL or Eiffel Tower.
ChrTh- On Deck
Methos
Conroe - Just Played
Bede - Up
We can use the 2 free techs to do Steel > Railroad, which would allow us to do Combustion once we finish the beeline. That, however, would reduce our chances of getting SoL or Eiffel Tower.
Turn 295 (1850 AD)
Tech learned: Electricity
Nanjing finishes: Frigate
Hangzhou finishes: Worker
Macau finishes: Granary
Turn 296 (1852 AD)
Research begun: Democracy
Tianjin finishes: Harbor
Kaifeng finishes: Granary
Turn 297 (1854 AD)
Beijing finishes: Wall Street
Turn 298 (1856 AD)
Julius goes for the wartime civics of Vassalage and Theocracy
Shandong finishes: Granary
Turn 299 (1858 AD)
Our intel on what Genghis has been up to
This is a concentration of troops and boats, but I don't much change from the last time we visited.
Beijing finishes: Grenadier
Turn 300 (1860 AD)
Shanghai finishes: University
Ibn Battuta (Great Merchant) born in Guangzhou
Xian finishes: Frigate
Ibn Battuta loads onto a waiting galleon with Frigate escort and sets sail for Rome with a stop at Macao to unload some garrison troops.
Turn 301 (1862 AD)
Tech learned: Democracy
Beijing finishes: Catapult
This is always a most satisfying display
And some more intel on the horde.
The frigate off the west coast of the Khanate has been moved to provide early warning of any sortie from Karakorum, the caravel can sail up and down the coast, and there is another froigate heading east skipping above Hatties borders to provide coverage of the northern reaches
Turn 302 (1864 AD)
Research begun: Radio
Turn 303 (1866 AD)
Macau finishes: Library
Kaifeng finishes: Lighthouse
Turn 304 (1868 AD)
Nanjing finishes: Frigate
Turn 305 (1870 AD)
Beijing is working the Statue of Liberty and our scientists are working on Radio. Rifling is out there but not available for buying. I am not too concerned about the military situation as I think enough Frigates out there will provide a good screen, so I kept building them. Acquisition of the Spices from the south put an end to the health issues in the big towns with markets so they can go on a troop and naval training spree.
Tech learned: Electricity
Nanjing finishes: Frigate
Hangzhou finishes: Worker
Macau finishes: Granary
Turn 296 (1852 AD)
Research begun: Democracy
Tianjin finishes: Harbor
Kaifeng finishes: Granary
Turn 297 (1854 AD)
Beijing finishes: Wall Street
Turn 298 (1856 AD)
Julius goes for the wartime civics of Vassalage and Theocracy
Shandong finishes: Granary
Turn 299 (1858 AD)
Our intel on what Genghis has been up to
This is a concentration of troops and boats, but I don't much change from the last time we visited.
Beijing finishes: Grenadier
Turn 300 (1860 AD)
Shanghai finishes: University
Ibn Battuta (Great Merchant) born in Guangzhou
Xian finishes: Frigate
Ibn Battuta loads onto a waiting galleon with Frigate escort and sets sail for Rome with a stop at Macao to unload some garrison troops.
Turn 301 (1862 AD)
Tech learned: Democracy
Beijing finishes: Catapult
This is always a most satisfying display
And some more intel on the horde.
The frigate off the west coast of the Khanate has been moved to provide early warning of any sortie from Karakorum, the caravel can sail up and down the coast, and there is another froigate heading east skipping above Hatties borders to provide coverage of the northern reaches
Turn 302 (1864 AD)
Research begun: Radio
Turn 303 (1866 AD)
Macau finishes: Library
Kaifeng finishes: Lighthouse
Turn 304 (1868 AD)
Nanjing finishes: Frigate
Turn 305 (1870 AD)
Beijing is working the Statue of Liberty and our scientists are working on Radio. Rifling is out there but not available for buying. I am not too concerned about the military situation as I think enough Frigates out there will provide a good screen, so I kept building them. Acquisition of the Spices from the south put an end to the health issues in the big towns with markets so they can go on a troop and naval training spree.
ChrTh
Happy Yule!
Got it. Once Radio comes in, we have no choice but to research the remaining techs on the beeline.
ChrTh
Happy Yule!
Roster:
ChrTh --- Up
Methos --- On Deck
Conroe
Bede --- Just Played
ChrTh --- Up
Methos --- On Deck
Conroe
Bede --- Just Played
This is probably not a big deal. The Grenadier will defend against the rifles with no problem. We shouldn't need Riflemen until the Cavalry starts showing up. Hopefully, we will be done with our beeline by then. And really, if our navy is strong enough, their troops will never set foot on our soil.ChrTh said:
