CTR1 -- Jump Without Looking (the Deity Virgin Sacrifice)
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Wow guys, I go out for dinner and look what happens. 
on the discussion. What do I have to add...?
Mobilisation tricky but GO (more so in the light of a possible threat by Persia).
I thought about trying to take an Indian city then peace with another city thrown in. The big disadvantage is that the gifted city will be empty, undefended so a big bait for Persia, who will more than likely attack...
So don't accept a city for peace.
Bar that: another GO for it Wanderer.
on the discussion. What do I have to add...?Mobilisation tricky but GO (more so in the light of a possible threat by Persia).
I thought about trying to take an Indian city then peace with another city thrown in. The big disadvantage is that the gifted city will be empty, undefended so a big bait for Persia, who will more than likely attack...
So don't accept a city for peace.
Bar that: another GO for it Wanderer.
Wanderer
King
ummmm ...
earp (from mobilization faq)
mad
which way, guys ?
@mad - yeah - if we were persia no doubt! Thats why MPP asap would be good, and currently they would take one!
earp (from mobilization faq)
mad
which way, guys ?
@mad - yeah - if we were persia no doubt! Thats why MPP asap would be good, and currently they would take one!
Cross post 
Good point about the MPP, maybe first MPP Persia then concer city then peace + extra city.
Good point about the MPP, maybe first MPP Persia then concer city then peace + extra city.
I don't think we should mobilize.
If we mobilize after peace with India, we will not be able to build temples until after we sign peace with England.
Edit If we mobilize before peace, the mobilization will not last long enough to have any affect.
If we mobilize after peace with India, we will not be able to build temples until after we sign peace with England.
Edit If we mobilize before peace, the mobilization will not last long enough to have any affect.
ChrTh
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From the Info Center
So it looks like we can mobilize either before or after India is whomped
So it looks like we can mobilize either before or after India is whomped
ChrTh: It doesn't mean you can end a mobilization if you start a war. If you are at peace you need to start a war to be able to end it. If you catch my drift...
We can only end the mobilization if we are at peace with England. So that's either before or after the war with them but once it's started we can't end mobilization until peace is signed.
We can only end the mobilization if we are at peace with England. So that's either before or after the war with them but once it's started we can't end mobilization until peace is signed.
ChrTh
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Originally posted by a space oddity
ChrTh: It doesn't mean you can end a mobilization if you start a war. If you are at peace you need to start a war to be able to end it. If you catch my drift...
We can only end the mobilization if we are at peace with England. So that's either before or after the war with them but once it's started we can't end mobilization until peace is signed.
I know, I was pointing out that you don't actually need to be at war to mobilize for war
OK, but I think the concern (at least with me) is that once you're in it you can only get out when there's peace. We will not always be in a position to dictate that. I'm with Earp in this. I want to be able to build Temples (we'll need them also in the soon-to-be-former English cities) to have a shot at domination.
Wanderer
King
I'm not going to mobilize - once we do, as mentioned, the only way OUT is to start a war, and then get peace. Since India are dead (they will be), I would have to wait to turn5, and I really think that everyone needs to see the whole game to make there further evaluate...
I will play out the remainder of my 1 turn, and then the save will be available for everyone to review and comment on.
I will play out the remainder of my 1 turn, and then the save will be available for everyone to review and comment on.
ChrTh
Happy Yule!
@Wanderer:
You can mobilize now, before India is destroyed. Then we can de-mobilize any time we want (unless we go to war again)
You can mobilize now, before India is destroyed. Then we can de-mobilize any time we want (unless we go to war again)
ChrTh, are you sure? According to this FAQ,
It sounds to me like we will be automatically reverted to a peace-time economy when India is eliminated. Is this only true when you are fighting more than one opponent and not true for us? Will we be able to de-mobilize at our leisure?
This will of course not matter if India is destroyed before Wanderer has a chance to mobilize our economy.
ChrTh
Happy Yule!
@Earp
I'm going by what the Info Center says. Your FAQ is probably more correct.
EDIT: Although "You can mobilize for war at any time (even during peace), but you need to enter a peace treaty or destroy an AI civ to end a war-time mobilization." It doesn't say that the mobilization automatically ends with peace, only that you can end it...
Of course, there is only one way to find out
I'm going by what the Info Center says. Your FAQ is probably more correct.
EDIT: Although "You can mobilize for war at any time (even during peace), but you need to enter a peace treaty or destroy an AI civ to end a war-time mobilization." It doesn't say that the mobilization automatically ends with peace, only that you can end it...
Of course, there is only one way to find out
It is not going to hurt us to find out. I think Wanderer should try to mobilize before signing peace with India or before they India is destroyed. If we can de-mobilzie when we want to, great. If we automatically de-mobilize, we do not lose anything.
Wanderer
King
Mobilize
Peace with india - get 6 g, and New Lahore.
Mobilization turns off.
((As I suspected - we can turn on when we want to, for now we have the options of temples, hospitals etc necessary for culture grouwth and pop growth))
MPP with Persia.
WW is gone. Manage all cities back to happiness, lux to 0. We can get flight in 3, so I stay there - it is cheaper to lose say 500 G than try and have to steal 3 or 4 tech's, imho.
Some cities set to settler,s temples and hospitals, away from courthouses, libraries and barracks. We need culture and pop growth infrastructure , not happiness and etc.
End turn 4
IBT : Persia conquer India (( so mobilization would have gone off anyway)).
Intersting - Flight drop from 3 to 2 when India die.
Turn 5 (1375 ad)
Some units loaded into galleons, and sent south.
Transport arrives, dumps 4 tanks, picks up settler.
Several tanks etc built.
We have 1 settler near Bengal - I think we should move him SW2, and build there. The other settler is on a ship - someone best place, near persian cities, to grab the open space - we should grab from nearest to the persian cities, outwards, so we make it more difficult for them to grab land.
Tanks up to 33, art at 25, inf at 69.
I have left sci at 2.8.0 - flight in 1, -70 gpt. After that, we can go to 9.1.0 and make 652 gpt.
good luck - I wonder if I will see this again ??
the save http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/ctr1-1375_AD.SAV
Peace with india - get 6 g, and New Lahore.
Mobilization turns off.
((As I suspected - we can turn on when we want to, for now we have the options of temples, hospitals etc necessary for culture grouwth and pop growth))
MPP with Persia.
WW is gone. Manage all cities back to happiness, lux to 0. We can get flight in 3, so I stay there - it is cheaper to lose say 500 G than try and have to steal 3 or 4 tech's, imho.
Some cities set to settler,s temples and hospitals, away from courthouses, libraries and barracks. We need culture and pop growth infrastructure , not happiness and etc.
End turn 4
IBT : Persia conquer India (( so mobilization would have gone off anyway)).
Intersting - Flight drop from 3 to 2 when India die.
Turn 5 (1375 ad)
Some units loaded into galleons, and sent south.
Transport arrives, dumps 4 tanks, picks up settler.
Several tanks etc built.
We have 1 settler near Bengal - I think we should move him SW2, and build there. The other settler is on a ship - someone best place, near persian cities, to grab the open space - we should grab from nearest to the persian cities, outwards, so we make it more difficult for them to grab land.
Tanks up to 33, art at 25, inf at 69.
I have left sci at 2.8.0 - flight in 1, -70 gpt. After that, we can go to 9.1.0 and make 652 gpt.
good luck - I wonder if I will see this again ??
the save http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/ctr1-1375_AD.SAV
I've got it.
Here is some data from MapStat for 1350 AD
Total tiles: 2439
Tiles reqd for domination: 1627 (66.7%)
Japan: 885 acquired tiles (36.3%) - 742 to limit (30.4%)
India: 221 acquired tiles (9%)
Persia: 586 acquired tiles (24%)
England: 555 acquired tiles (23%)
Unclaimed: 192 acquired tiles (8%)
Total pop: 1334
Pop reqd for domination: 890 (66.7%)
Japan: 460 acquired pop (34.5%) - 430 to limit (32.2%)
India: 81 acquired pop (6%)
Persia: 482 acquired pop (36%)
England: 311 acquired pop (23%)
Here is some data from MapStat for 1375 AD
Tiles reqd for domination: 1627 (66.7%)
Japan: 931 acquired tiles (38.2%) - 696 to limit (28.5%)
Persia: 628 acquired tiles (26%)
England: 562 acquired tiles (23%)
Unclaimed: 318 acquired tiles (13%)
Total pop: 1355
Pop reqd for domination: 904 (66.7%)
Japan: 521 acquired pop (38.5%) - 383 to limit (23.3%)
Persia: 510 acquired pop (38%)
England: 324 acquired pop (24%)
Here is some data from MapStat for 1350 AD
Total tiles: 2439
Tiles reqd for domination: 1627 (66.7%)
Japan: 885 acquired tiles (36.3%) - 742 to limit (30.4%)
India: 221 acquired tiles (9%)
Persia: 586 acquired tiles (24%)
England: 555 acquired tiles (23%)
Unclaimed: 192 acquired tiles (8%)
Total pop: 1334
Pop reqd for domination: 890 (66.7%)
Japan: 460 acquired pop (34.5%) - 430 to limit (32.2%)
India: 81 acquired pop (6%)
Persia: 482 acquired pop (36%)
England: 311 acquired pop (23%)
Here is some data from MapStat for 1375 AD
Tiles reqd for domination: 1627 (66.7%)
Japan: 931 acquired tiles (38.2%) - 696 to limit (28.5%)
Persia: 628 acquired tiles (26%)
England: 562 acquired tiles (23%)
Unclaimed: 318 acquired tiles (13%)
Total pop: 1355
Pop reqd for domination: 904 (66.7%)
Japan: 521 acquired pop (38.5%) - 383 to limit (23.3%)
Persia: 510 acquired pop (38%)
England: 324 acquired pop (24%)
Well done Wanderer!
I see that the big transfer of troops down south is already started.
@Earp: We've done well in pop in the past 5 turns. Go ahead and build those Temples.
The massive amount of workers should be able to keep our pop number growing. At some point we can just join them. England and about half of the unclaimed lands should be enough.
I see that the big transfer of troops down south is already started
.@Earp: We've done well in pop in the past 5 turns. Go ahead and build those Temples.
The massive amount of workers should be able to keep our pop number growing. At some point we can just join them. England and about half of the unclaimed lands should be enough. 
