CTR1 -- Jump Without Looking (the Deity Virgin Sacrifice)

Ok, Space isn't back until the 23rd...not sure when Mad-Bax is back. SHard, if you want to jump ahead, feel free.
 
I am bit busy at the moment, but I may jump in and take it if I get a spare few hours. I will obviously check for got it posts and post one of my own if I decide to take it.
 
Hi Guys!

I am back from vacation. Please could you slide me back in the roster somewhere?

Looks like you guys have been busy in my absence. Can't turn my back for a second.... :)
Did you manage to get any leaders?

Don't answer that I'll download the save and find out!
 
This is just a very quick post to say I have completed the 5 turns.
Nothing spectacular happened.

910AD:
salamanca - Courthouse
Cataraugus - Worker
Satsuma - University
San Fransisco switched to University

Trade Industrialisation from Ghandi for Medicine + WM + 385G.
Research Electricity in 16. Science at 60%
Rush University in Dk Blue for 416g in order to begin factory and then on to palace prebuild for TOE.

920AD:
Osaka - Bank
Seattle - Library
Houston - need to here Entertainer
Dk Blue - Factory
Detroit - Aqueduct
Washington - switch to Courthouse
Kagoshima - switch to university

930AD:
New York - Courthouse
Buffalo - Courthouse
New Orleans - Courthouse

Re-new Ivory for 25gpt with Persia. Any attempt to renegotiate this deal would have led to no deal as we will never again be able to trade lux or resource for gpt.

940AD:
Cincinati - University
Boston - switch to Courthouse

Persia want MPP and ROP. It would be clever of Persia to do this and then declare war on India without committing a single unit. Even better, scatter a few cheap units around our lands and then declare war on India. We would be trashed. No deal. I give away our world map to soften the blow.

950AD:
Philadelphia - Courthouse
Houston - Courthouse.


I have switched a lot of corrupt cities to building courthouses. Workers will become a drain on our finances soon, and a lot of the jungle is gone now. This can easily be over ridden by the next up.

I know we are in a building phase, but I am beginning to feel a little exposed now. I would feel a little happier with a few more defenders.

here is the save.

I'm short of time right now, so I won't be able to post any shots till tomorrow. Really I don't think shots are necessary as nothing really happened.
 
Hi guys,

I'm back too. I'm faily busy though so I won't be able to play today, so SHard, if you can, do. Otherwise consider this a 'got it' and I'll play tomorrow.

Space <-- needing today to catch up and read all the reports
 
Well, I'm back now as well, so I think the roster is back to fulls strength again.
 
Sorry guys, I didn't play my turns tonight, I was completely absorbed by the end of my GOTM21 game. I'm so glad I finished that one, very time-consuming but very entertaining at the same time :). My next civ time will be devoted to this game, promise!
 
Guys, I will be away again now for a while. I hadn't really expected to be going away again now but I will be gone until pretty much August the 19th. I will be checking back occasionally but never really get an oppurtunity to play during this time :-/. Good luck in the game :)
 
Reading the discussions I see that we're in a building phase after wiping out the Iroqs. Trying (desperate?) to get ToE to get us on track science wise after trading for it using our gpt is no option.

So, what's the current state of the union?

The happiness situation is good, even at 0% lux. I'll be able to fire two entertainers on top of that.

We're behind in tech:
India is up Nationalism
England Nat. and Corp.
Persia Nat., Corp. and Sanitation

Money is good esp. after The Colossus.

Ok, on to the turns:

Pre-turn:
Fire entertainers where possible.
Hurry Marketplace in Dark Chocolate for 100g.
Move the science slider up for a deficit of 35gpt since we can't use the money anyway and it will get us to Electricity in 10 instead of 11 turns.
Press enter.

IT: Nada

turn 1 - 960AD:
Sirp-Orange: Library -> Factory
Dark Chocolate: Marketplace -> Factory
St. Louis: Courthouse -> Barracks
Edo: Library -> University

We're now at -31 gpt (Electricity in 8 turns).
Trying to emphasize railing the core and a 'warpath' on the southern continent.

IT: Zzzz

turn 2 - 970AD:
Baltimore: Aquaduct -> Courthouse
Lots of worker moves

IT: Zzzz

turn 3 - 980AD:
Kyoto: Bank -> Factory
Orleans expands cultural border
Rheims grows and gets a taxman

We're now running at -24 gpt (Elec. in 6).
Exchange TMs with Lizzie.

IT: Zzzz

turn 4 - 990AD:
Houston riots! Arggh :smoke:, it gets a taxman.

Ahem, someone built a mine in the wrong spot...
CTR1--ForlornMine.JPG


IT: Zzzz

turn 5 - 1000AD:
Seattle: Library -> Cavalry
St. Regis: Worker -> Worker
St. Louis: Barracks -> Marketplace
Salamanca needs a taxman

Damn, India has Electricity now and we will finish it in 2 turns :(. Gandhi hasn't sold it around yet, the others don't have it.

The next player should watch the happines situation, a lot of our cities are balancing and can't take growth. England has wines they don't want to sell. We will need to build military units again soon.

Anyway here's the save

edit: fixed the link, thanks Wanderer
 
Well done Space and I agree with everything you said.

So. How many turns before we get Scientific method? How many shields to build TOE? and how many shields will dark blue make once it has a factory? We need to do the sums and decide at what point to rush the factory and start the palace pre-build. Before TOE is finished we will also need a pre-build started for Hoovers which will need a site on a river.

This game has been funny. We seem to have played the beginning and are now beginning the end of the game if you see what I mean. Where has the middle gone?
 
I've lost track a little ... is Wanderer up now, followed by Earp? I think that's right...
 
based on our last few rounds of play, this is how I see the roster:

wanderer --> UP
shard --> unavailable
earp --> on deck
chrth
mad
space

Agree ?

I will download and read/review, then try and post in a few hours.
 
review ToE pre-build.
find and review hoovers pre-build.

Productivity:
Dark Blue has 20 spt. It can be optimized (+4 food, and Osaka has some mines it could take). Factory in 5 turn currently.
Osaka nex tbest on 17 spt. No factory being built here yet (bank in 5). Factory will take 17 turns, so I'm going to change bank (2 turns) to factory (7 turns). This will save 10 turns on factory, and then bank will be faster!
Kyoto has 17 spt, and factory in 13 turns. By moving mined plains to irri plains for Dark-Green (costing dark-green 1spt, and gaining it 1 food pt) I can move an irri plain to the mined plain for Kyoto, and it is now on 18spt, with factory in 12.

The great news is that all 3 of these cities are on a river, so any on of the 3 will be able to build the ToE and/or hoovers.

Given that Dark Blue should go from 20 spt to 30 spt (factory +50% sheilds), this is our 1st pre-build city. We just need to decide what our biggest pre-build item is the Palace (43 turns currently), as soon as the factory is finished, I suggest switching that city to palace for ToE prebuild. We have 2 turns for electricity, and I reckon 10 to 12 for Sci Mth, so the sooner we start, the better. In fact, we might want to consider running the sci slightly slower, just so we can afford to buy the factory.

thoughts ???

I think I should focus on trying to speed our prod for those 3 cities, and general infra. I do worry about defence as well, tho....
 
Yeah, slowing down research a bit is ok, we can't keep running a deficit forever. I was just hoping to beat the AI to Electr and we almost did so, too. If the 2nd ring cities complete their unis they can be switched to military units.

We can't win this by building, I fear. We need to stop the others developing otherwise they'll beat us to the spaceship. The best thing that can happen is them warring amongst each other. The downside to that is they are each on a different continent and we all know how wel the AI handle the logistics overseas... :rolleyes:
So the only one that can hurt them is... us. But we can do so only by military force. So let's face it, we need to invade Persia at some point :eek:
 
turn 0 - pre-turn:

Osaka bank-> factory. bank in 2 turns, changed to factory in 7, so we can get our next best prod city on track for a Hoover's pre-build.

MM Dark-Green - changed mined plains to irri plain. Imp food for dark-green, and free's 1spt to improve Kyoto.

MM Kyoto - change irri plains to mined plains to gain 1spt. Factory goes from 13 turns to 12.

Seattle Cav-> Factory. This is a 11 spt city, with massive food surpolus. by mining and opt, and a factory, we should be able to get into 20 or so spt (even with the current 50% wastage - it currently gen's 22 spt).

MM seattle - change FP to unwork Mt. Spt goes from 11 to 12, and factory goes from 22 turns to 20.

Damn shame that Iron Work will be a waste, due to currouption and distance from Forgotten Palace.I know we can't jump the FP, but I think the brighter head should consider if we should move our palace - I just wonder if the cities around Seattle, New Orleans, Boston and Memphis might not be more useful to us ... Given that our FP is so close - Dark chocolate - if we palace-jumped, Dark-Blue rpobably wouldn't even notice the difference in terms of corruption - it is only 2 squares from Dark Choc, and even Osaka is only 5 squares away (2E, 3SE).I don't know how to do palace jump's, so if wiser heads could look and consider ...


not much more I can see to do ...

End turn 0 (1000ad)

IBT : not much

Turn 1 (1010 ad)

Cattaraugus builds worker -> library (80). try and get some culture growth.
Dark-Green builds Uni -> Factory (18). If we palace jump, this should be re-considered, due to the change in corruption that will occur).

Thucydides has completed : the largest nations of the world :
1> Glorious Japanese
2> Great Indians
3> Fine English
4> Mediocre Persians

Bit of surpirse persia are so low. But then their city spacing is very large!

nothing else- worker actions - mainly RR, with some mining around Dark Blue.No gain from playing with sci slider.

Still no trade of elect from india. If we get this, we can try for the corp from perisa, then trade that to eng for Sanit, then trade sanit to inda for Nat ? probably wishfull thinking, - I'll see next turn ..

after some MM of Dark-BLue and Osaka, we have Dark-Blue fact in 3, Osaka in 5

end turn 1

ibt : nothing

turn 2 (1020 ad)

We get electricity. Set to Sci Meth (currently 3.7.0 = 9 turns at -30gpt).
Boston builds courthouse -> Library (12 turns) can be veto'd
Chicago builds Marketplace -> courthouse(14turns). We have 50% corrupt there, currently. Can be veto'd

MM dark choc to grow in 3 (not4) - no cost to current build (fact in 8).
Still get fact in Osaka in 4, Dark Blue in 2. Trying to improve those.

At 2.8.0, we get Sci Meth in 7 turn, but -99gpt, as opposed to 3.7.0, where we have sci meth in 9 turns, -29 gpt.


Hmm - Perisa now have electricity (prev turn, only india had it). I can get Corp and 4 GP and WM from eng for elect. I'm going to do it, since 2 others civ's have it already. I hope that this isn't a $#@#$.... But i feel we have to try and get something for it ...

Since it often works at higher tech rates that you "gain turns ) i.e. 3.70 = 9turns, whereas 2.8.0 = 2, I'm going to go with the expensive option - we need to try and make sure we win this race, I think. How say you ?

end turn 2

ibt : nothing much. India has several ironclads.

Turn 3 (1030 ad)

Tokyo grows, builds library -> courthouse (12 turns). We need to trim down the corruption, and courthouse helps against cultural turn - this city has 2 indian neighbours.

Kagoshima builds University -> harbor (4 turns). also needs a granary.

Denver builds Aqueduct -> marketplace (15).

people admire us ...

We caught Comrade Xerxes (persia) trying to plant a spy !!

MM - Dark Choc fact in 6, still to grow in 2
dark blue fact in 1. I have reduced it's spt to 25 to maximize those avail to Osaka.

Our top 3 SPT cities are now :

Dark Blue 25 (size 12) factory in 1
Osaka 25 (size 12) factory in 3
Kyoto 21 (size 12) factory in 7

Dark Choc 20 (size 9!) factory in 6

We will see which is best after 2 tirns for the 2nd pre-build. Dark Blue will definitely be our main pre-build - I can get it to clise to 30 now, and it doesn't have a factory yet.

I think that Kyoto can go up a little in prod, and Dark Choc looks good. Osaka will take a hit next turn, when I maximize Dark Blues prod for the pre-build.

MM St Louis to avoid Riot. Taxman + 5 happy, 1 content, 5 unhappy now.

Sci Rate 2.8.0 = sci meth (6 turns), -99gpt. slider of 3.7.0 = sci meth (7 turns), -31 gpt. We have gaimed a turn for the cost of 70g (if we had stayed on 3.7.0 last turn, I think we'd still be on 8 turns). As we add more lib's and uni's, beakers should go up. I don't THINK we are going to get there any faster, and since we can't build the ToE in 7 turns, or 8, should we slow tech ? We don't have forums - they are down, so I'm going to go back to more profitable speed - we can't trade it away for the AI will start building, and we won't catch the advantage it has. We can always speed up in 2 turns time.

SLIDER set to 5.5.0. Sci Meth in 10 turns, +87 gpt. With a broken rep, we need hard cash to buy things...

Hope this isn't a @#$%@# - I must say I am nervous ...

Persia has Nat, Sanit, Refining, Steel. wonder what else they have - could have combustion.
Eng has Nat, Refining
Ind has Nat

We can't buy anything. if we could get Sanit from Perisa, we could leverage that to Eng for Refining, and then maybe get Nat from India for Sanit and Refining ... But they won't budge. Our REP may be the death of us ....

PS : Persia have 1706 G, Eng have 0, Inida have 0, we have 842.

no wonders being built, so no AI cascades ...

damn game crashed. I think I saved end of turn! Yes I did - nothing lost.

End turn 3.

IBT : nothing

turn 4 (1040 ad)

Dark Blue builds Factory. Set to Palace - PRE BUILD FOR TOE.

MM Dark Blue. Spt now 40. Palace in 25 turns.

top prod cities:

Dark Blue 40 spt. Pre Build Palace for TOE.
Kyoto 25 spt Factory 5
Osaka 23 spt factory in 2

Dark Choc 20 spt factory in 5. ((NOTE still size 9).

end turn 4

ibt : nothing

turn 5 (1050 ad)

Atlanta builds bank -> Uni
San Fran builds Uni -> Bank (13)
Detroit builds Aque -> Marketplace (13)


Top prod cities

Dark Blue 40 spt pre-build palace for TOE
Kyoto 26 spt factory in 4
Osaka 23 spt factory in 1

Dark choco 19 spt factory in 4.

NOTE - I have improved Dark Choso to use best food to grow in 7 turns instead of 14. Factory stays the same. When it grows to size 12, we should be able to get 28 spt PRE facctory, so altogether maybe 40 to 42 after factory. UNFORTUNATELY, it doesn't have a river, so it cannot pre build Hoovers.

Prime candidate for Hoovers is would typically be KYOT, except for 2 things. There is nothing to pre-build, it already has the palace, and it would also mean no palace jump anytime soon.

Thus I reckon that Osaka is our Hoover pre-build candidate, unless a palace switch helps some other city.

Note to next players - the 7 workers on desert next to Kyoto should road, then mine, then rail. Kyoto had 4 food spare, so I moved this to the desert square (we are getting 1 shield). When you are done, we will get another 2 shields, and 2 comm.


Well - I hope I didn't stuff up too badly. Looking back I shouldn't have shoved the Sci rate to 2.8.0 for that 1 turn, since in the end it makes more sense (I think & hope) to build our money a bit, and get the pre-build there asap.

Tech and Money sit :

Persia have Nat, Sanit, Refining, Steel and 1522G (down 184 from 2 turns ago!). Annoyed
Eng have Nat, Refin, 0G. Annoyed
India have Nat, 34 g. Polite.

PS - Check dark choc - I think I accidentally undid those changes. If so, you should be able to move and take the tiles E,SE ; E,NE and 2NE, without losing any prod time for the factory.

save game:

corrected save
 
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