Current Status + Future Updates
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I want to ask people now: How "done" are the current unit and building files? I glanced through them, and it seems a lot of stuff hasn't been implemented, but are they all matched to existing technologies in our XML? Knowing whether or not they technically work would be useful.
Edit: Seriously; where the hell is everybody?
Edit: Seriously; where the hell is everybody?
Well, I've gone to some great lengths to get the leaderheads and technologies updated. I paused on the units simply because I realized that there weren't enough technologies to account for all the units we had planned, as well as some that certain civs don't have yet. I'm hoping to get together something that at least works in a normal map.
Unfortunately, Genghis Kai told me he would rather focus on making a Giant Earth Map for Civ V from here on, and with the way this mod has been so unrewarding, I can't say I blame him. On the other hand, it's not like he can do anything until Civ V comes out. I have no idea what became of Mattygerst, but I don't think even he knew exactly how to implement all of the Civilizations.
By the way, what was your job, Joe?
Unfortunately, Genghis Kai told me he would rather focus on making a Giant Earth Map for Civ V from here on, and with the way this mod has been so unrewarding, I can't say I blame him. On the other hand, it's not like he can do anything until Civ V comes out. I have no idea what became of Mattygerst, but I don't think even he knew exactly how to implement all of the Civilizations.
By the way, what was your job, Joe?
I came up with, and coded, a good portion of the UB's (around 85-90% of them). Other than that, I really didn't do anything...
Though of course, I did that in January... 2009.
I want to give a quick update of what I've been up to this Spring Break. I began with trying to get the unit XMLs done, but one thing that came to my attention is that we already have some unit files on the SVN Repository. Looking at downloads on that site brought the Leaderhead XML to my attention, which is when I realized that it was outdated and a bit flawed. So I retooled it and some people will not agree with the steps I took.
Aside from changing the leaders of Civs that are outdated because they are no longer in power--Taro Aso, for example--I went ahead and coded leaders based upon their actual political positions, not as generalized versions of political trends in their countries on the whole, which is what people like Matt advocated doing. So in other words, Obama is now Charismatic and Organized, not Aggressive and Imperialistic, and his favorite civic certainly is no longer Police State nor my equivalent for this mod. (With traits; I can understand the other side's argument. They will never sell me that any but the most far-right or far-left American politicians want to make it a police state, and even most of those politicians would never admit as much.)
There are a number of reasons for my doing this; here are the main ones.
*The "historical trends" logic other people have brought up isn't correct in the truly broad perspective any more than a single politician's career necessarily sums up more of his nation's politics than that time when he's in office. Matt asserts that the USA has been a globalist, warmongering power (albeit one that tries to do so with a smiling face) for a long time, but if you look at its whole history, it gives lie to that claim. The USA really wasn't an involved, imperialistic nation in world affairs until Teddy Roosevelt made it one, and until the second Roosevelt it generally lapsed back into isolationism. The truth is that individual leaders can fundamentally change the course of a nation's history, and while it's true Obama has run into a lot of opposition in changing as much as he wants, read on for more factors.
*I really don't want a predictable scenario. Some historical things are nice--I want as many Great Wonders of the world included as possible, though some of their stats probably need to be changed from the core game--but more on those sorts of things later. However, I don't want a world scenariio based in the status quo, in which nothing interesting can happen. It might be interesting, for example, to see South Africa becoming a potential empire under Zuma's leadership (and with the strong possibility that he wouldn't even be the particular African leader to start the war; just the one who wins it due to his country's better infrastructure), or America once again pulling ahead of other countries technologically, after researching more alternative energy sources.
*The historical trends approach Matt advocated can be more easily accommodated just by changing how nation's start out. If you want for America to have a huge capacity to wage war, give them a lot of planes, gunships and nukes at the start. (However ground units, should be fewer than some other countries, since America's army is voluntary and professional.) Europe can start by having more culture than the USA via its older history and large amounts of Wonders, while its leader focuses on building science and economy (even military) to a point that matches that of the US.
Make no mistake, though, the above can be countered. I respect the other side's opinions about the matter; I even understand them. Finally, I realize there was a vote on the matter and I'm going against what the majority of users decided. Yes, I also said when I took over leadership from Nik, that I disapproved of him saying the mod would follow his ideas, regardless of what other people voted upon. So why am I still making this change, at least for the moment? Because of my final reason for doing what I did, one that I think vastly overtakes the others in importance:
*Basically, I feel like I'm the Little Red Hen at this point. To say that many of the former members of this development team might not be working anymore is putting it lightly--many of them aren't even talking. I have addressed them in posts and PMs, and not only are many of them not responding, but quite a few haven't even posted since their last posts here. It is this, above all else, that made me decide I was at liberty to make whatever changes to the coding I wanted--provided I know how to do it, of course. The fact is those leaderhead files were tentative and outdated; nobody else was stepping up to fix them in any way, shape or form, and when I see what seems like the whole mod bogged down in a similar quagmire, I figure it's time for somebody with a decisive vision to singularly charge through whatever is holding things up and get to the root of the problem. This was no mere ego trip--I did more work researching current leaders on Wikipedia than I did for any homework assignment, and editting wasn't exactly easy, either. But I did the work because I actually care enough about my vision to sweat over it and make it come true.
Disagree with me? I welcome you to take it up with me here; it would be a great relief after a long period of little-to-nothing getting posted. Come help finish this mod, and your opinions will again be addressed. Right now, I'm only addressing my opinions, because I'm one of the only ones here, and I'd change that situation if I could; believe me.
Aside from changing the leaders of Civs that are outdated because they are no longer in power--Taro Aso, for example--I went ahead and coded leaders based upon their actual political positions, not as generalized versions of political trends in their countries on the whole, which is what people like Matt advocated doing. So in other words, Obama is now Charismatic and Organized, not Aggressive and Imperialistic, and his favorite civic certainly is no longer Police State nor my equivalent for this mod. (With traits; I can understand the other side's argument. They will never sell me that any but the most far-right or far-left American politicians want to make it a police state, and even most of those politicians would never admit as much.)
There are a number of reasons for my doing this; here are the main ones.
*The "historical trends" logic other people have brought up isn't correct in the truly broad perspective any more than a single politician's career necessarily sums up more of his nation's politics than that time when he's in office. Matt asserts that the USA has been a globalist, warmongering power (albeit one that tries to do so with a smiling face) for a long time, but if you look at its whole history, it gives lie to that claim. The USA really wasn't an involved, imperialistic nation in world affairs until Teddy Roosevelt made it one, and until the second Roosevelt it generally lapsed back into isolationism. The truth is that individual leaders can fundamentally change the course of a nation's history, and while it's true Obama has run into a lot of opposition in changing as much as he wants, read on for more factors.
*I really don't want a predictable scenario. Some historical things are nice--I want as many Great Wonders of the world included as possible, though some of their stats probably need to be changed from the core game--but more on those sorts of things later. However, I don't want a world scenariio based in the status quo, in which nothing interesting can happen. It might be interesting, for example, to see South Africa becoming a potential empire under Zuma's leadership (and with the strong possibility that he wouldn't even be the particular African leader to start the war; just the one who wins it due to his country's better infrastructure), or America once again pulling ahead of other countries technologically, after researching more alternative energy sources.
*The historical trends approach Matt advocated can be more easily accommodated just by changing how nation's start out. If you want for America to have a huge capacity to wage war, give them a lot of planes, gunships and nukes at the start. (However ground units, should be fewer than some other countries, since America's army is voluntary and professional.) Europe can start by having more culture than the USA via its older history and large amounts of Wonders, while its leader focuses on building science and economy (even military) to a point that matches that of the US.
Make no mistake, though, the above can be countered. I respect the other side's opinions about the matter; I even understand them. Finally, I realize there was a vote on the matter and I'm going against what the majority of users decided. Yes, I also said when I took over leadership from Nik, that I disapproved of him saying the mod would follow his ideas, regardless of what other people voted upon. So why am I still making this change, at least for the moment? Because of my final reason for doing what I did, one that I think vastly overtakes the others in importance:
*Basically, I feel like I'm the Little Red Hen at this point. To say that many of the former members of this development team might not be working anymore is putting it lightly--many of them aren't even talking. I have addressed them in posts and PMs, and not only are many of them not responding, but quite a few haven't even posted since their last posts here. It is this, above all else, that made me decide I was at liberty to make whatever changes to the coding I wanted--provided I know how to do it, of course. The fact is those leaderhead files were tentative and outdated; nobody else was stepping up to fix them in any way, shape or form, and when I see what seems like the whole mod bogged down in a similar quagmire, I figure it's time for somebody with a decisive vision to singularly charge through whatever is holding things up and get to the root of the problem. This was no mere ego trip--I did more work researching current leaders on Wikipedia than I did for any homework assignment, and editting wasn't exactly easy, either. But I did the work because I actually care enough about my vision to sweat over it and make it come true.
Disagree with me? I welcome you to take it up with me here; it would be a great relief after a long period of little-to-nothing getting posted. Come help finish this mod, and your opinions will again be addressed. Right now, I'm only addressing my opinions, because I'm one of the only ones here, and I'd change that situation if I could; believe me.
Adhesive86
Warlord
Bahmo: Go for it.
Your reasoning makes much sense and frankly, if you can get this mod out there then that's going to make people happy. If you asked me i'd say implement your ideas and get it released, but let's not spend ages getting into another big hyperthetical debate about a mod which hasn't been launched.
I'd certainly be looking forward to playing the mod as described.
Your reasoning makes much sense and frankly, if you can get this mod out there then that's going to make people happy. If you asked me i'd say implement your ideas and get it released, but let's not spend ages getting into another big hyperthetical debate about a mod which hasn't been launched.
I'd certainly be looking forward to playing the mod as described.
I would help, but 1) I don't have any time any more
and 2) I have no idea how to do the map n'stuff (I barely knew how to do the UB's; DVS helped me a lot with those).I've heard back from Matt and remake. Matt says the only thing standing in the way of the map loading is the dimplomacy XML not being finished, and remake says he's working on that. Meanwhile, I'm making progress on the units; the tanks and planes are finished, so stay tuned.
Omega124
Challenging Fate
Can someone re-post the offical civ list again?
This is Bahmo's brother, Craig, with tragic news. Last night, Bahmo, whose real name is Seth Donovan, passed away during an all-night stand on his computer, presumably working on your mod. I do not blame you, as Bahmo himself exercised poor judgement; I merely wanted to tell you the bad news, and I happened to know Bahmo's account password. Thank you, Bahmo, for many happy years as a good brother.
Omega124
Challenging Fate
This is Bahmo's brother, Craig, with tragic news. Last night, Bahmo, whose real name is Seth Donovan, passed away during an all-night stand on his computer, presumably working on your mod. I do not blame you, as Bahmo himself exercised poor judgement; I merely wanted to tell you the bad news, and I happened to know Bahmo's account password. Thank you, Bahmo, for many happy years as a good brother.
April Fool's. You're not tricking anyone.
Yared
That Guy
Nice try. Now get back to work.
I've been having trouble getting people to post anything. Myself, I'm not sure what the latest on the official civ list is. I have a set of XML documents, but I don't know if they're the most recent copy. Some things I'd like clarified in particular is whether Venezuela is lumped in with the Bolivarian Alliance, and what became of Mongolia.
Omega124
Challenging Fate
I thought Mongolia was cut. I'm not sure what happened to Venezuela. Matt knows the final civ list, if he's still around.
Right,
despite being asked to come back and agreeing to afew things I have realised. I have a job now, i get in from work tired, I no longer have the will to spend my evenings collating vast amounts of data. I also havent played Civ4 in nearly 2-3 years, I doubt I will again for a very vert long time. In short gents im bowing out officially because I dont want you guys waiting for progress on work from me thats already done.
You have all the data you could want on MBT, DD, FF, CV, CVN, SS, SSN, SSNBM, & Fighters\helos\bombers and air & sea transports. I wish you all the luck in the world getting this done. Maybe I woiuld reinstall Civ to play it.
Cheers gents,
Sheep21
despite being asked to come back and agreeing to afew things I have realised. I have a job now, i get in from work tired, I no longer have the will to spend my evenings collating vast amounts of data. I also havent played Civ4 in nearly 2-3 years, I doubt I will again for a very vert long time. In short gents im bowing out officially because I dont want you guys waiting for progress on work from me thats already done.
You have all the data you could want on MBT, DD, FF, CV, CVN, SS, SSN, SSNBM, & Fighters\helos\bombers and air & sea transports. I wish you all the luck in the world getting this done. Maybe I woiuld reinstall Civ to play it.
Cheers gents,
Sheep21
Adhesive86
Warlord
From piecing together previous posts, THIS is the final civ list decided and I understand implemented by Matty. However, as per previous posts, the diplo infos is preventing map from being loaded:
West: 8
USA
Canada
Mexico
Brazil
Argentina
Peru
Chile
Colombia
Bolivarian Alliance: 1
(Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia, Cuba, Honduras, Dominican Republic)
Europe: 11
UK
Spain
France
Germany
Poland
Italy
Sweden
Turkey
Ukraine
Belarus
EFTA (Norway, Iceland, Switzerland)
European Union: 1
(European Union includes:
Belgium
Netherlands
Ireland
Portugal
Greece
Bulgaria
Romania
Czech Rep.
Austria
Hungary
Finland
Denmark
Estonia
Latvia
Lithuania)
Balkan Union: 1
(Croatia, Albania, Serbia)
Caucasus Union: 1 (Georgia, Azerbaijan)
N Africa: 4
Libya
Egypt
Morocco
Algeria
West Africa: 1
(Sierra leone, Liberia, Cameroon, Togo, Nigeria)
Central Africa: 1
(Mali, Niger, Zambia, Angola, Senegal)
East Africa: 1
(Tanzania, Mozambique, Ethiopia, Namibia)
South Africa: 1
Middle East: 5
Saudi Arabia
Syria
Israel
Iran
Palestine
Central Asia: 2
Russia
CACO (Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan)
South West Asia: 2
Pakistan
India
South East Asia: 6
China
Thailand
Indonesia
ASEAN (Philippines, Malaysia, Singapore)
Taiwan
Vietnam
East Asia: 3
N Korea
S Korea
Japan
Australia/Oceania: 1
Australia
This adds to 50.
West: 8
USA
Canada
Mexico
Brazil
Argentina
Peru
Chile
Colombia
Bolivarian Alliance: 1
(Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia, Cuba, Honduras, Dominican Republic)
Europe: 11
UK
Spain
France
Germany
Poland
Italy
Sweden
Turkey
Ukraine
Belarus
EFTA (Norway, Iceland, Switzerland)
European Union: 1
(European Union includes:
Belgium
Netherlands
Ireland
Portugal
Greece
Bulgaria
Romania
Czech Rep.
Austria
Hungary
Finland
Denmark
Estonia
Latvia
Lithuania)
Balkan Union: 1
(Croatia, Albania, Serbia)
Caucasus Union: 1 (Georgia, Azerbaijan)
N Africa: 4
Libya
Egypt
Morocco
Algeria
West Africa: 1
(Sierra leone, Liberia, Cameroon, Togo, Nigeria)
Central Africa: 1
(Mali, Niger, Zambia, Angola, Senegal)
East Africa: 1
(Tanzania, Mozambique, Ethiopia, Namibia)
South Africa: 1
Middle East: 5
Saudi Arabia
Syria
Israel
Iran
Palestine
Central Asia: 2
Russia
CACO (Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan)
South West Asia: 2
Pakistan
India
South East Asia: 6
China
Thailand
Indonesia
ASEAN (Philippines, Malaysia, Singapore)
Taiwan
Vietnam
East Asia: 3
N Korea
S Korea
Japan
Australia/Oceania: 1
Australia
This adds to 50.
