Dec 26th teaser

[Kyro]

Would the Civilization be called Maurya then? It would be strange to rename the Indian Civilization because of time frame though. Game play wise Chandragupta Maurya was a conquerer so the rather peaceful Indian unique ability doesn't seem to fit and different names for the same civilization would probably be used again as seen from Macedon.

I think the unique improvement will be the Stupa. It would probably have War Elephants as a unique unit as well given that Chandragupta fielded as many as 9000 of those in his huge army.

 

[Weraptor]

Indonesia wasn't called Majahapit Empire, so I guess it stays as India.

 

[Kyro]

Indonesia wasn't called Majahapit Empire, so I guess it stays as India.

That's the thing, you can't change the Civilization's unique ability as well as unique Units/Improvements unless it's coined by a different name. The current abilities and unique traits don't apply to the Maurya Empire.

 

[Maquis]

When I heard "not all roads lead to Rome" I thought it was a shoutout to all us speculating that Rome has the alternate leader!

 

[Republic of San Montuoso]

That's the thing, you can't change the Civilization's unique ability as well as unique Units/Improvements unless it's coined by a different name. The current abilities and unique traits don't apply to the Maurya Empire.

The Seowon is not at all an improvement from the Seondeok era (nearly a thousand years gap).
Sparta doesn't really benefit from the idea of Plato (even if Sparta had one of the most WTH political system ever...)
The Meiji Restoration took place way after Hojo Tokimune existed.

Problem is a lot of people think about CUA in the same way as Civ 5: leader strongly (and too much) tied to the civilization. Civ 6 is really different: CUA doesn’t have to match with all the leader, but have to reflect an overall description of what the Civilization was most of its history.
If ever Bismarck appeared as an alternate German leader, the Free Imperial Cities will become irrelevant, or Elizabeth I for England, and she has nothing to do with British Museum.

So, saying that Somethingsomething (I will never manage to get the full name of this Indian leader) cannot be an alternate Indian leader because the CUA doesn’t match his particular empire at his particular period of time is irrelevant. Indian is wide-worldly known to be the place of most of religion of the world and to take advantages of this diverse religions. So the Dharma civ ability is good enough even for Somethingsomething.

 

[Kyro]

The Seowon is not at all an improvement from the Seondeok era (nearly a thousand years gap).
Sparta doesn't really benefit from the idea of Plato (even if Sparta had one of the most WTH political system ever...)
The Meiji Restoration took place way after Hojo Tokimune existed.

Problem is a lot of people think about CUA in the same way as Civ 5: leader strongly (and too much) tied to the civilization. Civ 6 is really different: CUA doesn’t have to match with all the leader, but have to reflect an overall description of what the Civilization was most of its history.
If ever Bismarck appeared as an alternate German leader, the Free Imperial Cities will become irrelevant, or Elizabeth I for England, and she has nothing to do with British Museum.

So, saying that Somethingsomething (I will never manage to get the full name of this Indian leader) cannot be an alternate Indian leader because the CUA doesn’t match his particular empire at his particular period of time is irrelevant. Indian is wide-worldly known to be the place of most of religion of the world and to take advantages of this diverse religions. So the Dharma civ ability is good enough even for Somethingsomething.

So you're telling me that all this build up and teasing is to introduce just a new leader with 1 different ability while retaining everything else? You could say it might not be Chandragupta after all but you are answering in context of a prior assumption that he IS the new leader. I'm just saying that given the amount of resources invested in these teasers it's very unlikely that the new thing introduced is just a leader and given that we already have the example of Macedon it is very likely they're gonna do the same thing again by renaming an existing Civilization to create an artificial difference.

 

[Kimiimaro]

So you're telling me that all this build up and teasing is to introduce just a new leader with 1 different ability while retaining everything else? You could say it might not be Chandragupta after all but you are answering in context of a prior assumption that he IS the new leader. I'm just saying that given the amount of resources invested in these teaser it's very unlikely that the new thing introduced is just a leader and given that we already have the example of Macedon it is very likely they're gonna do the same thing again if Chandragupta is the new leader.

Chandragupta will most probably be a new Indian leader instead of a leader of Maurya Civ. If you look closely at the leak pictures, you can see a Civ with inverted Indian colours. In the Civ's teritorry, there are stepwells. In the city-centre, there is also a unit icon that resembles Varu.

 

[Siptah]

I wonder why so many people seem to have problem with the name. I don‘t see how it is complicated at all. For a south Asian name, it‘s also not particularly long.

On the other hand, it don‘t think it is crime to have no interest in India or knowledgeable abou it. Perfectly reasonable thing to do that doesn‘t mean such persons are ignorant or stupid.

And thirdly, I object to wishes that Indian history should play a larger role in history classes in the Western world. There‘s enough competition for content as is, no need to cramp in more and get shallower and shallower on every topic. It should be encouraged to learn more (always about everything) - especially if you have roots in a different culture. And games, novels and movies can help create interest (be careful to learn about things that way though).

 

[Ondolindë]

What I find interesting is that Chandragupta Maurya gave up his throne and became a monk. I wonder if Firaxis included that somehow, the religious abnegation, or if they will portray him as the conqueror he was before.

 

[Kyro]

Chandragupta will most probably be a new Indian leader instead of a leader of Maurya Civ. If you look closely at the leak pictures, you can see a Civ with inverted Indian colours. In the Civ's teritorry, there are stepwells. In the city-centre, there is also a unit icon that resembles Varu.

Well if that's the case then it's possible that there will be 1 new leader for India and another leader for an entirely different civilization. It's kinda difficult to create promotional material with just 1 change.

What I find interesting is that Chandragupta Maurya gave up his throne and became a monk. I wonder if Firaxis included that somehow, the religious abnegation, or if they will portray him as the conqueror he was before.

I was speculating that his Civilization's preferred religion might be Jainism because of that.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

Well if that's the case then it's possible that there will be 1 new leader for India and another leader for an entirely different civilization. It's kinda difficult to create promotional material with just 1 change.

or they redid India.

 

[Republic of San Montuoso]

So you're telling me that all this build up and teasing is to introduce just a new leader with 1 different ability while retaining everything else? You could say it might not be Chandragupta after all but you are answering in context of a prior assumption that he IS the new leader. I'm just saying that given the amount of resources invested in these teasers it's very unlikely that the new thing introduced is just a leader and given that we already have the example of Macedon it is very likely they're gonna do the same thing again by renaming an existing Civilization to create an artificial difference.

I remember someone saying that the teaser for today FL was oddly short comparing to the ones of Dutch or Mongol FL... Maybe it's because it would only be about a leader.

And, anyway, they will be forced to do a FL for the alternative leader (and we know that there will be an alternative leader). So why not making a teaser for him (or her) with the FL? I find your argument kind of weak, even if I can understand it.

I wonder why so many people seem to have problem with the name. I don‘t see how it is complicated at all. For a south Asian name, it‘s also not particularly long.

Maybe it's because I never took the effort to look closely to the name.
But here : Chandragupta (I think I'm right). You're right, it's not that difficult, it's just that I am a filthy eurocentrist whom doesn't care about anything passed the Mediterranean Sea or the Oural

 

[Cerilis]

Mhrm, wasnt the India video roughly as long as the Cree video on the chinese website? Gorgo was much shorter.

Wait, Gorgo wasnt actually shorter. I just remembered wrong. Nevermind.

 

[Kyro]

or they redid India.

That's enlightening. Maybe...Dharma is quite difficult to make useful since it's too difficult to control.

 

[Republic of San Montuoso]

Well if that's the case then it's possible that there will be 1 new leader for India and another leader for an entirely different civilization. It's kinda difficult to create promotional material with just 1 change.

Maybe it would be Chandragupta and the other civilization (Crees???) that we saw in the leak. After all, they were leaked together, maybe they will be revealed together... But the twitter teaser only make reference to 1 civ I think.

 

[Ondolindë]

or they redid India.

I was thinking about this very same thing this morning. They are bound to make changes to most if not all vanilla civs to take advantage or be in accord with the new mechanics (of course they would need to also remain vainilla for those who don't buy the expansion). But if this is the case, then Firaxis could use Chandragupta Maurya to showcase how that will be and that would include Gandhi. Hope this is the case. That would be exciting to hopefully see today.

 

[Siptah]

I actually hoped for a buff to religion, so that Dharma would be buffed as well. But I fear if they planned such a thing, they would have released it with the fall patch that already overhauled religion. Or since the Indian religions (at least some) spread fast and over a vast region, maybe India could have stronger religious pressure or something as well.

 

[agonistes]

When Civ introduces a leader I've never heard of, I love to look up more about them and the history arround them.

I looked up Jadwiga and was pleasantly enlightened.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

So you're telling me that all this build up and teasing is to introduce just a new leader with 1 different ability while retaining everything else? You could say it might not be Chandragupta after all but you are answering in context of a prior assumption that he IS the new leader. I'm just saying that given the amount of resources invested in these teasers it's very unlikely that the new thing introduced is just a leader and given that we already have the example of Macedon it is very likely they're gonna do the same thing again by renaming an existing Civilization to create an artificial difference.

You've seen Greece with Gorgo and Pericles, right? That's how alternate leaders work.

 

[pgm123]

That's the thing, you can't change the Civilization's unique ability as well as unique Units/Improvements unless it's coined by a different name. The current abilities and unique traits don't apply to the Maurya Empire.

Civ Ability - Dharma: Receive the benefits of all Follower beliefs of Religions present in your cities, not just the one you founded.

This fits Maurya like a glove.

Civ Unit - Varu: War Elephant (Replaces horsemen)

The only thing that doesn't fit about this unit is that they would be used next to horsemen.

Civ Infrastructure: Stepwell

I don't know the history of this, but the Civlopedia says it dates back to 200 BC.

These abilities fit Chandragupta better than Gandhi.