Deity Challenge #10 - Maya on pangaea

[The Pilgrim]

I'm trying the no-range challenge for some reason even though I dislike the maya @_@

My wife's offer is still on the table.
Btw, how other stuff is doin'?

See I don't get this. I can NEVER get this to work on Deity because the AI will take every single spot of land that it can. I was lucky to get my second city in by turn 20 before Suleiman grabbed the last bit of the land. Do you just DoW AIs on sight if they're near you?

I only tried once, but I had no problem to settle all spots I wanted, mountain + marble next to Ankara, in between that city and the capital and mountain+horses+cotton+spices+jungles near CS. Second one about 30, the rest before 50. Doesn't help much, they are tiny and pathetic. Troll city aka Edrine appeared next to my capital on turn 15.
So back to your question - yes. I'm going to DoW him as soon as I can. It's pointless to wait. He hides workers if he DoWs first! Son of a gun...

Edrine seems to be at same spot every time. Strange because it's not even that good spot? Maybe Ottomans just wanted coastal city

That must be it, I find no other explanation. How does AI calculates it should move so far for this garbage city is beyond my understanding.

 

[The Pilgrim]

* I did build NC before adding the other cities in this map. Buy settlers during building NC.

Makes sense. I was tempted to do the same, but was worried I won't be able to expand afterwards.

 

[Hammer Rabbi]

Makes sense. I was tempted to do the same, but was worried I won't be able to expand afterwards.

i tried that too. got NC around 55 or so. but then every settle spot was going to anger someone. India surprisingly settled right between the 2 CS to the north of the cap so up there wasnt an option. to the left side of the mtn range provoke Boudicca and south angered Ottomans and even William.

when i got 2 down by t40 with liberty i didnt get any of the 'dont settle...' messages.

 

[soprof]

I am replaying the map. Loaded from turn 50 or so. Arabia proved to too much of a challenge for my Landships vs his 140 HP cities (and his bombers and modern stuff..).

I am still doing the "no ranged units masochistic challenge", but this time I am doing rationalism instead of honor (to get faster tanks!).

This time my science will be high. I will post the progress.

Some science advices for this map:

* I did build NC before adding the other cities in this map. Buy settlers during building NC.
* GS regneration is greatly halted for Maya, so be careful adding scientists in the cities. Growth and jungles better choices early.
* Pick tiles in the capital carefully. It is a very strong city, but it needs growth early. I have 14 pop at turn 108 with no maritime CS.

No, i don't get it how you get THAT much bpt

screen your cities please, all of them =D

 

[The Pilgrim]

No, i don't get it how you get THAT much bpt

screen your cities please, all of them =D

Peter's capital is very similar to mine at every stage. So my assumption: secondary cities are much larger. Which is partially explained by the fact they weren't starved to build libraries in time. Takes a lot of happiness though to grow all cities. He also rush buys science buildings the moment the appropriate tech is discovered. You need much more money than you have if you don't oversell the luxes. That's why I asked in other thread how many broken deals he had. Btw, I'm not trying to say it's bad. Just some clearness. Because having 150 bpt at 110 is something I can imagine, 260 confuses and amazes me.

 

[tommynt]

obviously many wars means many brokken deals and sometimes peace deals in your facour bringing lots of gold.

Guess its kinda impossible to have enough gold to buy/upgrade units AND buy science buildings everywhere, without getting some from ai.
Also conquered cities = lux to sell.

No matter how u call the challenge it will allways be the ai being abused ..
On other difficulties I l also often spend gold on CS - but on deity I think its often pointless if they arent really close as they ll just get killed anyway.

Make the next challenge a DONT TRADE AT ALL challenge - no contacting the ai ever (maybe apart peace deals) - its possible and most fun aswell

 

[The Pilgrim]

i tried that too. got NC around 55 or so. but then every settle spot was going to anger someone. India surprisingly settled right between the 2 CS to the north of the cap so up there wasnt an option. to the left side of the mtn range provoke Boudicca and south angered Ottomans and even William.

when i got 2 down by t40 with liberty i didnt get any of the 'dont settle...' messages.

Weird... I replied but my post does not show up. Browser shenanigans, I guess.

I got only one message from Suleiman which was meaningless. The rest were busy with wars and each other and forgot to expand. As a result I didn't settle close enough to anyone to trigger the hate. Didn't prevent Boudica from DoWing, of course. Funny thing though, after we signed peace she became friendly for real. Full price deals followed by DoF proposal. Usually even if AI doesn't hold grudge, there is some cooling off period when it's still grumpy before turns friendly again.

 

[The Pilgrim]

obviously many wars means many brokken deals and sometimes peace deals in your facour bringing lots of gold.

We're talking about pre-war phase. If he had one. On SS Peter posted earlier, he's sitting on 4 cities, so nothing conquered. I didn't quite understand whether he has been DoWed by someone other than Suleiman. Maybe I didn't read well. I'll try to fix that right away.

No matter how u call the challenge it will allways be the ai being abused ..

Your point of view on the issue is widely known. Moreover, you're doing a great job of popularizing it. Don't work extra hours. It's not finger pointing, I'm just trying to understand.

Make the next challenge a DONT TRADE AT ALL challenge - no contacting the ai ever (maybe apart peace deals) - its possible and most fun aswell

I think it's a good idea. There was a challenge several month ago. I tried it at immortal, but it was somewhat boring and felt not very different from my other games. I'd like to try on deity though. Scary.

 

[Hammer Rabbi]

Weird... I replied but my post does not show up. Browser shenanigans, I guess.

I got only one message from Suleiman which was meaningless. The rest were busy with wars and each other and forgot to expand. As a result I didn't settle close enough to anyone to trigger the hate. Didn't prevent Boudica from DoWing, of course. Funny thing though, after we signed peace she became friendly for real. Full price deals followed by DoF proposal. Usually even if AI doesn't hold grudge, there is some cooling off period when it's still grumpy before turns friendly again.

im sure my actions must prompt different results. i got a good peace deal from India after i took Vijay with atlatlists but he came back with swords, pikes and elephants after the peace deal finished (full 30 turns, not 10). I only had comp bows, like 12 of them, but I had them spread out til Crossbows. Boudicca was amassing units (5 cats and 3-4 picts) at my borders but never dowed after I rush bought 2 comps to accompany the other 2 there. And sully wouldnt offer peace for anything, even white deal. I took edrine and about 10 more of his units at his Ankara borders thinking he'd settle soon enough. But then William cam marching thru the CS to the southeast but only with warriors and other comps. Not a real threat. And then Sully started rolling in Trebs that my comps couldnt take down in 3 shots.

Going for Theology earlier than normal put off lots of timings for me. Couldnt get to xbows fast enough.

 

[The Pilgrim]

Completely different game from mine. I am not brave enough to go with Liberty on this map.

 

[Light Cleric]

Eh, I think I'll give the no-range challenge 1 more shot and then that's it. I think my big mistake was trying for the Hagia Sophia instead of pumping some Spears or Horsemen out.

 

[Klasker]

Going patronage 2 for the +20 resting point, and pledging all city states, going rationalism after that i think, or full patronage. i will take out ghandi at some point, he got nice cities. religion is good, science is good, but flanks are many and dangerous . i will either go for diplo or domination since i dont like science. never tried this patronage thing before, but having 15 friends seems good, and easy to get them allies also.

 

[Hammer Rabbi]

Completely different game from mine. I am not brave enough to go with Liberty on this map.

i was mostly frustrated that they wouldnt dow me. im certain that because i dow'd them boudicca came knocking. she had me labelled after india even though they werent friends. not sure about william as we had all green text. i just couldnt get them to dow when the window was open for atlatlists to take 2 cities so i pulled that trigger. and i took a worker from India-protected jakarta and told him to shove it and still no dow. yeesh.

 

[The Pilgrim]

Or she had you labelled just because. I didn't do anything special to piss her off. She's a weirdo. I was surprised when she turned lovey dovey after peace. Dunno. These AI's are too complicated for my old brain.

 

[Hammer Rabbi]

maybe she's into a little smacking around. some chicks dig that.

ive actually wondered if they wrote some kind of respect reaction where warring civs respect you now that you arent a pushover. she seems to be that way in previous game with her.

 

[The Pilgrim]

maybe she's into a little smacking around. some chicks dig that.

I prefer to do the smacking myself, but oh well... Guess I can't say no to a lady.

ive actually wondered if they wrote some kind of respect reaction where warring civs respect you now that you arent a pushover. she seems to be that way in previous game with her.

I wonder too. Time for more testing.

 

[Maxym]

I wont spoil it if noone has started. But on my map an AI from across the map settled right next to me around turn 20-25 without even meeting me! Very annoying. They have no business doing that.

That's great, free city next to you. Maybe even before CB.

 

[Light Cleric]

That's great, free city next to you. Maybe even before CB.

If he settles it (Ankara) where he does for me, it's a garbage city on a hill so it's just plain annoying.

 

[Maxym]

I just opened the thread and tried to get the feel for it without seeing or reading spoilers. I should have waited to post as it might be garb age that just needs removing, bummer.

My initial reaction to in your face AI on deity is sweet, no long treks, he is going out anyway and few free cities will be nice. I will open it once I deal with gotm56, and finish deity8. I was away for a week and falling behind again

 

[Light Cleric]

Yeah, I'm trying not to give away TOO many details when I post without spoilers; I've just ranted about one guy settling stupidly and that seemed like a pretty minor detail so meh