Democrats hard at work blowing the 08 election

I've heard she's half-Jewish, she's an anti-Semite, what is she?



If they wanted to actually do something, they wouldn't have passed a non-binding resolution. The fact that they had trouble getting that passed and had to put some pork on the table first shows that they have no intention of passing a binding resolution.



The Speaker of the House isn't the person to be doing it; but shame on the Secretary of State for not.

I'm pretty sure she is half-jewish. Anti-semite? I didnt say that. Also I dont see why a person can't be both.

The jews are some of the worst anti-semites Ive seen. Remember must jews in Israel now are from european descent, so the arabs have much semitic blood in them than the jews. How do you like them apples? ;)

Non-binding resolutions.. why do they exist? what is the point of them? none that I can see.

Was it wrong for Jane Fonda to go to Vietnam? Of course not, but that doesnt change the fact that out there in the 'heartland', even to this day, most people think of her as a traitor. Making Peloser out to be the new Hanoi Jane is so easy its a joke.

It's not the same thing as Jane Fonda going to Vietnam, I dont think.
Making her out to be a traitor is easy? maybe.
Maybe democrats should start their own news channel to educate people, the republicans did. If it worked for them, I dont see why it wouldnt work for the dems.
 
Boso, I suspect your assessment of your fellow Americans is correct. Sadly.
I know, tell me about it:sad:
Including, for what it's worth, me.
Whats your take on the Pelosi trip, similar to what Fonda did, or even worse because she's a high ranking representative of the American government?

@JR & LR, I dont think it matters that Pelosi isnt running for President. Simply saying things like 'If you vote for Democrat X, crazy, scary, traitorus liberals like Pelosi will have too much influence' is enough.
 
@JR & LR, I dont think it matters that Pelosi isnt running for President. Simply saying things like 'If you vote for Democrat X, crazy, scary, traitorus liberals like Pelosi will have too much influence' is enough.
That card was played in 2006. If "San Francisco values" doesn't do the trick, a visit to Syria won't either. Plus at least 3 Republicans have done the same thing.
 
I'm pretty sure she is half-jewish. Anti-semite? I didnt say that. Also I dont see why a person can't be both.

You didn't say it, but there's some stuff on it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton_controversies. Whether you want to believe it is up to you; I'm not going to put a lot of stock in it myself.

The jews are some of the worst anti-semites Ive seen. Remember must jews in Israel now are from european descent, so the arabs have much semitic blood in them than the jews. How do you like them apples? ;)

I know you're saying it in jest, but it seems to me that a lot of anti-Semites (in the real world, that only means "Jew-haters) cover up their hatred of Jews by claiming that the real Semites are mostly Arabs.

Non-binding resolutions.. why do they exist? what is the point of them? none that I can see.

There is no point, of course. Just a way to give the appearance of wanting to do something. All politics is smoke and mirrors, but I don't think I've ever seen a non-binding resolution go through Congress before; maybe because the idea is just so unbelievably stupid.
 
@JR & LR, I dont think it matters that Pelosi isnt running for President. Simply saying things like 'If you vote for Democrat X, crazy, scary, traitorus liberals like Pelosi will have too much influence' is enough.
No, it won't be. I'm sure Republicans will say that...but they would have said it even if she never went. It's not going to get much traction, though, unless Iraq does a 180 in the next 12 months.

Seriously...it's not like she's a sexy celebrity posing next to an anti-aircraft gun. She's a 50 year old woman with a compulsive blink talking with Assad. It'll be a trick to get Americans to notice, much less care.
 
Let him slither out of office covered in his own abject failure. Why do they want to help him and the Republicans out by taking over responsibility for the defeat? Ending it in 08 with a Democratic President would make much more sense.

The Democrats would much rather the war starts and ends completely within the Bush terms of office. If a Democrat is elected and ends the war, and the war ends badly (which seems a given), then there will be plenty of associating the pull-out / defeat / failure with the Democrat who ends it. If the war ends while Bush is in office, and the war ends badly (still a given), then all of the blame goes to Bush and the Republicans.

Then again, Bozo, would you really want to run the US?

I wouldn't mind running the U.S. However, I don't think the President runs the U.S.; he is more like the Zaphod Beeblebrox of the U.S. and is just a figurehead to assign blame to. But let's not re-open the whole "why are we there?" discussion.

That would make some sense, but I don't agree that they're smart enough to stop just short of actually defunding.

Again, it is about how to thwart Bush without accepting responsibility for the Democrats.

Nothing. Fact is if they don't do something to wind down the war, then they then become culpable for maintaining the war.

They can't let that happen, but how to get the war shut down...?

The primary role of POTUS according to your (not my) constitution is as Commander-in Chief. Congress should give him their orders.

This opens up the whole "only Congress can declare war" issue. We are not prepared yet to define who we have declared war on. We ostensibly declared war on Saddam Hussein and "terror" without actually declaring war on Iraq, so how do we determine how to fight such a "war" and when it is over?
 
I know you're saying it in jest, but it seems to me that a lot of anti-Semites (in the real world, that only means "Jew-haters) cover up their hatred of Jews by claiming that the real Semites are mostly Arabs.

I wasnt jesting, theres a lot of racism towards arabs (the more semitic ones) in Israel.

In the real world, most people dont know that arabs are semites too, so they think that it only means "Jew-haters", but it dosent change the meaning of the word.
 
The Democrats would much rather the war starts and ends completely within the Bush terms of office. If a Democrat is elected and ends the war, and the war ends badly (which seems a given), then there will be plenty of associating the pull-out / defeat / failure with the Democrat who ends it. If the war ends while Bush is in office, and the war ends badly (still a given), then all of the blame goes to Bush and the Republicans.
I think it would go more like this: "Well here I am the new Democratic president. Time for me to start cleaning up the mess Bush left us. First thing Im going to do is bring the troops home from Iraq and spend those $8billion a week on domestic issues. Like giving all of you medical insurance."
I wouldn't mind running the U.S. However, I don't think the President runs the U.S.; he is more like the Zaphod Beeblebrox of the U.S. and is just a figurehead to assign blame to. But let's not re-open the whole "why are we there?" discussion.
I agree, to a certain extent, but the President opens the door for alot of other anonymous people with agendas. Those are the people who will set the tone in the counry for the next four years. The President is their cheerleader/salesman.

@JR, they might have succeeded with that tactic in 06 if Pelosi had gone to Syria back then.

@LR, yes they would have said it anyway...and Pelosi made their job easier by going to Syria. She didnt have to go there. Its not like she's going to engineer some sort of breakthrough. She chose to go because she's a fool. She's sooooo dumb, she thinks going to Syria and having photo-ops with Assad helps the Democrats.
 
I@JR, they might have succeeded with that tactic in 06 if Pelosi had gone to Syria back then.

@LR, yes they would have said it anyway...and Pelosi made their job easier by going to Syria. She didnt have to go there. Its not like she's going to engineer some sort of breakthrough. She chose to go because she's a fool. She's sooooo dumb, she thinks going to Syria and having photo-ops with Assad helps the Democrats.
I agree it was a bad move, but it is only going to rile up people that would never vote for a Democrat anyway. If the Republicans want to play this card, they are going to risk having moderate voters question why Bush couldn't be bothered to use Syria to end the Iraq debacle.
 
I know, tell me about it:sad:

Whats your take on the Pelosi trip, similar to what Fonda did, or even worse because she's a high ranking representative of the American government?

It is different - not worse, but not particularly good. The one seemingly overriding rule regarding American foreign policy is: one leader to negotiate with. We can't know what she is discussing with Assad, but it almost seems to involve other countries in our internal Dem vs Rep politics. I'm certainly not happy about it, and I'd be just as unhappy as if Newt Gingrich had gone to meet a foreign head of state that Clinton was stonewalling.
 
I think it would go more like this: "Well here I am the new Democratic president. Time for me to start cleaning up the mess Bush left us. First thing Im going to do is bring the troops home from Iraq and spend those $8billion a week on domestic issues. Like giving all of you medical insurance."

It sounds good when you say it, but does anyone remember Nixon for starting the EPA and OSHA, opening talks with China, detente with the USSR, integration of schools, and raising wages for Federal employees?

Of course not. At the time, it was "peace with honor," now it's just the helicopter leaving the embassy in Saigon.
 
As if that isnt enough, to top things off, Nancy Peloser flys off to Syria doing her best Jane Fonda impression...

WTH is wrong with them??:wallbash:

I think she has totally lost her mind. I'm a lifelong Democrat, but I won't be voting that way in the next election unless she gets off the plane & immediately apoligizes for her lack of judgment. It's not fair to the candidates, but she is a high ranking party member & thus represents them, too.
 
Instead of letting the time run out on the Bush administration, the Democrats are determined to take responsibility for HIS war away from and turning it at the last minute into a Democratic defeat. He wanted the war, he started the war, he prosecuted the war, its his war. Let him slither out of office covered in his own abject failure.
The Soviet Union survived for more than half a century.

The point here, Bozo, being--oh dear GOD, now he thinks I called him a bozo, could he PLEASE have chosen some other username. :D

Just kidding around. :)

Anyway, the fact that the Soviet Union sucked on a biblical scale seemed to do very little to actually help speed it along on the road to collapse. So there's one mindset the Democrats might have: no guarantee that it's going to crash on its own, the process needs to be accelerated, and when confronted with a problem, humans always feel an overwhelming need to do something and just can't bear the thought of sitting on their hands and letting it fall down on its own.

Of course, I don't actually believe any of that--it's just me jumping into other peoples' heads and seeing things from their viewpoint. My view is that Bush mostly did the right things and isn't getting credit for them, but those who don't believe this generally seem to think in the way I outlined above: that the Bush regime can't possibly come to an end fast enough, and must be eliminated by any and all means necessary.
 
The polls are hitting the Dems hard, yes, but actually for the opposite reason.

Many voters think the Dems aren't doing ENOUGH to end the war. Most of Congress's disapproval comes from moderates and liberals who think Congress isn't moving fast enough.

More than 60% of Americans want a bill that withdraws troops by the end of 08.

That can't be repeated enough in threads like these. In this case Congress is doing the rare thing: something that's both right and popular.

Bush is puncturing one last hole in his shining legacy by vetoing this. Congresscritters who defend him too loudly will lose their seats in 08.
 
So?

It's not going to happen; so that doesn't help either party.

Might be good for Gov. Richardson, though.
 
It's not going to happen; so that doesn't help either party.

It helps those who look like they're working towards it. And it's a safe bet that it will hurt those who look like they're standing in the way.

Republicans could have made the smart political choice. Since the bill was going to pass no matter what and Bush is going to veto no matter what, they could have signed on, won points with the public and put all the onus on Bush. Instead they made the stupid political move. If they behave the same way going into 08, lots of em will lose seats.
 
It is different - not worse, but not particularly good. The one seemingly overriding rule regarding American foreign policy is: one leader to negotiate with. We can't know what she is discussing with Assad, but it almost seems to involve other countries in our internal Dem vs Rep politics. I'm certainly not happy about it, and I'd be just as unhappy as if Newt Gingrich had gone to meet a foreign head of state that Clinton was stonewalling.
I never had a problem with Fondas Vietnam trip because she was just an actress and private citizen, and really, what harm could she possibly do, most of the country was against the war anyway, as were most of the drafted soldiers. With Pelosi though, like you said, its just not right for an American politician to flip the bird at an administration and set up her own dialogue with a hostile foreign government. Its just wrong, and also really hurts the Democrats. If I was one of the Dem candidates, Id grab the nearest microphone, denounce it and completely distance myself from it. She's not helping their campaigns at all, to put it mildly. Who knows what other stupid things this complete ditz has planned?
It sounds good when you say it, but does anyone remember Nixon for starting the EPA and OSHA, opening talks with China, detente with the USSR, integration of schools, and raising wages for Federal employees?

Of course not. At the time, it was "peace with honor," now it's just the helicopter leaving the embassy in Saigon.
Isnt it Watergate? No but I know what you mean. I think a Democratic President that ends the Iraq fiasco, brings all the boys and girls home, and starts tackling the domestic issues Bush has ignored, like health insurance, the environment and what have you, would be remembered for all of those things.
I think she has totally lost her mind. I'm a lifelong Democrat, but I won't be voting that way in the next election unless she gets off the plane & immediately apoligizes for her lack of judgment. It's not fair to the candidates, but she is a high ranking party member & thus represents them, too.
She's completely out of her depth. What I dont understand is why other leading Democrats didnt tackle her to the ground as she was trying to get on the plane.

The polls are hitting the Dems hard, yes, but actually for the opposite reason.

Many voters think the Dems aren't doing ENOUGH to end the war. Most of Congress's disapproval comes from moderates and liberals who think Congress isn't moving fast enough.

More than 60% of Americans want a bill that withdraws troops by the end of 08.

That can't be repeated enough in threads like these. In this case Congress is doing the rare thing: something that's both right and popular.

Bush is puncturing one last hole in his shining legacy by vetoing this. Congresscritters who defend him too loudly will lose their seats in 08.
PP, the poll showing that 60% favor it, was that among likely voters?

@Basket, its ok, Im a bozo through and through;) All the Democrats have to do is wait for the clock to run out, thats all. But instead its like theyre desperately trying to snatch an 08 defeat out of the jaws of victory. If they dont smarten up, really fast, I shudder to think of what will happen to this with another four years of a Republican in the WH.
 
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