[Development] Map Suggestions

Update:

Spoiler Floodplains :

Green tiles are proposed floodplains. I added two forests in Southern China and changed the Beijing tile to plains. The highlighted tile in the second pic is added coal in Hunan.

Spoiler Hotan River :

Kashgar is the historical city here but this makes for a viable Hotan if a player wants. Hotan better reflects the modern day Chinese borders more than Kashgar, players should have the option to raise one and settle the other.

 

Great ideas!
By the way if China will have a lot of foodplains in the future Map: is it mean that Chinese need UP or UB which DECREASE negative effects from them ?

 

Would something like this be a good model for a cochineal dye variety?

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Some suggestions on Madagascar and other islands in the Indian Ocean.

Spoiler Madagascar, Reunion, Mauritius :

Terrain changes on Madagascar: savanna instead of plains under the tropical forests in the northwest, semidesert on the xeric shrubland ecoregions in the southwest (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecoregions_of_Madagascar#Terrestrial_ecoregions). Also various forest changes. Savanna + rainforests on Reunion and Mauritius (both have climates and vegetation types that vary widely depending on altitude etc. so I'm not sure it's necessarily the most correct choice, but I think it should be reasonable).

Marked some suggested plantation resource spawns. The vanilla on Madagascar should really be a spawn rather than preplaced and probably placed in the north instead of the south (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sava_Region). The rare earth might need adjusting, assuming Antananarivo is to be placed there.

Spoiler Seychelles :

Small suggestion on Seychelles: rainforest vegetation and cinnamon spawn.

Spoiler Socotra :

As for Socotra, I changed it to semidesert (climate arid but close to semi-arid) + savanna trees which makes it look a bit less boring and seems appropriate for the trees found there anyway (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-44235159). Added incense: frankincense and myrrh are part of its flora, and were exploited already in ancient times (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2012/06/socotra/).

 

I mostly support these changes to the Indian Ocean islands. I have some additional suggestions:

• Réunion and Mauritius need to be hills. I'm not sure if they are already, it's hard to tell.
• Madagascar could get a second vanilla in the plantation era; it leads global production by far today.
• The island NW of Madagascar (next to the amber) represents the Comoros, correct? It should be covered with rainforest.
• Socotra looks nice as a vegetated semidesert, but I don't think incense production was particularly important there. I'd remove the resource.
• I noticed that Socotra, in real life, is closer to the Horn of Africa than to the Arabian peninsula (see map below). It might need to be moved 1S. In fact, our Horn of Africa isn't very pronounced and doesn't reach east as far as in real life, where its tip is at the same longitude as Qatar. Maybe we need to add a tile at the tip. In that case, Socotra would probably be fine where it is.

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@Tab911 These Flood plains may make China too overpowered.

 

This is how my current cochineal dye variety looks ingame. I wanted to see how the size of the insects compared to the cacti ingame. I think they should be a bit larger to emphasize them a bit more.

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V2

First I made the insects 1.5x bigger. Then, I scaled the whole model about 3/4x. This is the result.

EDIT:
I see that the image compression makes the insects appear less saturized. Ingame they look much better.

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In theory, with the new map and code update, we should be able to give China some nearby rival civs so they'd have to deal with much more active gameplay, and limit their Core region so that conquering/owning the entirety of China would cost stability

 

Okay. I will make a new version with bigger insects.

I pushed v2 version to the marsh branch, so it can be viewed ingame in the meanwhile.

 

No problem. Somehow I thought that you already merged that branch. So it was free again for me to recycle it as a branch for viewing WIP models ingame. You can still use that branch if you want to see v2 ingame. (Just ignore the marsh terrain for now)

IMO it looks much better ingame than on the screenshot. But I’ll admit that bigger insects will probably look better. I had a temporary version in which I enlarged the insects, but did not shrink the whole model yet. I quite liked the size of the insects. But they are shrunken with the cacti as well, making their relative size to the the cacti larger, while having about the same absolute size. As said, I will make a new version with larger insects.

 

Yes the core area of China needs to be decrease. But it's hard to add new civs in this area to debuff China, because in history China is a unified nation in most periods. Maybe Xiongnu or Jurchen?

 

Sure, but both of those are nomadic northern peoples.

I was thinking more like the Baiyue from southern China, dating from the Warring States period through to the Han-era Nanyue state that dominated Southern China and ultimately gave its name to Vietnam. We might also tie it to the historic Wu state (of Spring & Autumn) and Eastern Wu (of Three Kingdoms), as Wu and Yue were closely allied throughout most of early Chinese history, and treated as a foreign barbarian state by the northern Chinese (such as the historian Sima Qian). If we do include Wu, then we could in fact use Sun Tzu as the initial leaderhead for this civ, since he was born and lived in Wu during the Warring States period.

 

v3

Larger insects.

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Now it is. This version is in my regular map branch though. I also made a PR with it. V2 is still in the marsh branch, in case you also want to look at that one.