Did a woman just get sentenced for laughing at Sessions???

[Farm Boy]

I think I find your filters naive ~half the time, if you want my take on what our disagreements stem from. You're in largely good company here, so it makes sense. But what the hell do I know, really? About the only thing I've lent in this thread so far is "how to google 1.0."

http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Sessions+confirmation+hearing

http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Desiree+Fairooz

Admittedly, I did have to read the article from the first one and watch the sub one minute video. Then I had to click on "images" after the 2nd search and match the face.

 

[Commodore]

The link in post #29 has a video of the incident it seems?

From that video, I don't see anything that would warrant prison time and I don't think any judge will give her prison time either. She'll probably get slapped with a fine and sent on her way.

 

[Angst]

http://www.motherjones.com/politics...oz-jeff-sessions-confirmation-laugh-convicted

She gets up to a year in prison for that!? What the hell!?

Btw I agree that the silencing of the bulldozing of homes, for example, is unreasonable. I just don't think it means this is reasonable.

From that video, I don't see anything that would warrant prison time and I don't think any judge will give her prison time either. She'll probably get slapped with a fine and sent on her way.

If she gets jail time for that, I'm going to scream into a pillow. Not that it's going to change anything.

EDIT: Also just saying, the fine seems to be 2000 bucks. that's more than I've had in my savings for like 95% of the time I've lived alone. I understand some laws about fining probably makes it easier to pay, but this fine is not modest. She wore protesting clothing and laughed twice. That's not reasonable for the police removing her, but sure. The "commotion" she caused is unreasonably punished this way. She barely fought back and yelled for ten seconds of the hearing, after being forced away by cops. She was treated with force by the police. It's natural to many to react confusedly or to act out when "handled" by cops. The law, as is, does not reflect how people often react to being detained, if it punishes something like this so severely.

EDITEDIT: I also can't help to think about police training in general, and how much it baffles both the judiciary and the police that people being detained often reacts erratically. The police is supposed to be trained for that, and, not to derail the thread, that there are so many police shootings demonstrates that they aren't. This is kind of the same issue to me. This legal infrastructure seems to not be able to handle ordinary behavior in a reasonable or constructive sense. Of course, depending on this woman's sentence. If she gets just a fine and a ban from hearings, I can accept it.

 

[Ryika]

Boy, that woman really hates Israel.

 

[Bootstoots]

Did the other two people who were arrested do anything besides stand next to her while wearing protest clothing too? If it's illegal to wear protest clothing at all during a Senate confirmation hearing (or in the Capitol at all), then why were they allowed in to begin with?

 

[Farm Boy]

One of the vids showed them chanting a little bit with their signs and decked out like mock Klan members(protest clothing ) from the back of the hearing before (I'd guess) they left when ordered as opposed to be being removed. I think people are underestimating exactly how much you get punished for refusing to cooperate with law enforcement's commands. If they break your car window to come get you, you are in trouble trouble.

Edit: since this appears to be my thread for this I guess -

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/05/politics/jeff-sessions-hearing-desiree-fairooz/

There they are in the video link. There appear from various angles to be a variety of other protesters in the room wearing "loud" clothing who did not vocally protest and were neither removed nor charged with anything.

 

[Commodore]

Also just saying, the fine seems to be 2000 bucks.

That's the maximum fine. A judge could choose to fine her less though.

 

[Farm Boy]

Btw I agree that the silencing of the bulldozing of homes, for example, is unreasonable. I just don't think it means this is reasonable.

I agree with that, it doesn't imply that. Your distress is the only reason worth googling this story of yet another boomer, sad she missed out on the opportunitly to really stick it to LBJ, even if she has a point. I also attempt to understand that government in publicly accessible function must have some line upon which it starts censoring - otherwise we would need to close the doors and lock them against the constant stream of drama queens, be they alt right, communist, capitalist, religious, parochial, or whatever that would choose to impede all business rather than let the matters at hand proceed. The People, ultimately, do hold dominion over thier chambers and courts.

However, it bears to keep in mind that the pensioners are usually the reasonable ones and Sessions aint no saint. After their hearings where they are ordered to shut up, and after they lose much of what they hold dear, pensioners* often reasonably understand exactly how much they are valued. And frequently enough, they quite reasonably double check their beneficiary designations and stop double checking their dosages. Democracy is kept decent only by people willing to pay for the moral authority to assert that it should be so.

Edit: not edit notes anymore? I has a drunk. We've been rained out for a damned half month! <stressstressstress, sorry, that is a hella tangent>

*or whoever, really

 

[Angst]

Just fwiw I agree there has to be a line. I just don't agree at all that this is it, at least not that it can be punished so potentially severe. I understand it's all a ceiling in a sense, but you really, really have to make a larger commotion to be punished with a year in prison, it's infact very difficult for me to imagine what kind of commotion that would necessiate such a severe punishment. I mean, sure, let's assume that this gives a much smaller punishment (two weeks in prison and a 500 dollar fine). What kind of commotion would be necessary to get a year in prison? I honestly can't imagine it. I understand that some semblance of censorship and control should be present. But I can't imagine what kind of stuff (nonviolent, mind you) that would legitimize a 2000 dollar fine and a year in prison. And I assume that violent actions would get additional punishments according to different paragraphs in the law that punishes this sort of thing, meaning that a year's punishment for violence is moot. All in all it's just way too harsh to me.

 

[dutchfire]

Here, you can get a fine of several thousands for illegally entering the pitch during a professional football match. So how you view the punishment depends a bit on the reference frame.