Did Jesus make mistakes?

[Pikachu]

According to the Bible Jesus appears to have made a few mistakes.

Like in Matthew 23:35 Jesus tells that Zechari'ah whom was murdered between the sanctuary and the altar was the son of Barachi'ah, but the corresponding Old Testament verse, 2 Chronicles 24:20 tells that Zechari'ah was the son of Jehoi'ada.

And in John 3:13 Jesus says that no one but the Son of man has ascended into heaven, but that isn’t true as Eli'jah too has ascended into heaven according to 2 Kings 2:11.

In Matthew 11:14 Jesus tells that John the Baptist was Eli'jah, but John the Baptist himself denies this in John 1:21.


I think that contradictions like this must imply that either Jesus made some mistakes or the Bible gives an inaccurate description of Jesus or maybe both. Do you have any other explanations for why this kind of contradictions appears in the Bible?

 

[Bozo Erectus]

The only mistake I can think of is when Jesus says that he 'only came for the Jews'.

 

[Jawz II]

the misstake he made was this: he said he was from god

based on what i know about him, he was this really cool guy who said, life is hard enough, maybe we all should cool it a bit, stop making war, stop screwing each other over, and even if we dont have to go outta our way to help anyone (ok maybe he said we do have to go outta our way to help others), we shouldnt go outta our way to screw them over

now, he defenitly got the idea right, but how do you make people listen to this wisdom, after youre gone? bingo, tell them stories about gods and magical invisible beings and etc, there was enough of that superstition going on then too

this one "white" lie (im from god) made it possible later for others to twist and turn his words and ideas, ad stuff (hey, its from god, dont blame me, im just writing it down) and push their own agenda
the result was just another organized religion, just like judeism was

a religion that can be used to justify just about anything, massmurder, torture etc

moral: dont lie

disclaimer: i know religious people disagree, i couldnt care less
but im not trying to insult you, thats just the way i think it happened

 

[Narz]

Sure he did.

He got caught.

 

[Bluemofia]

Yeah, but I'm tired of these religion threads.

 

[Iggy]

I think that contradictions like this must imply that either Jesus made some mistakes or the Bible gives an inaccurate description of Jesus or maybe both. Do you have any other explanations for why this kind of contradictions appears in the Bible?

On a none religious level the answer is obvious. The bible was written a long time ago and the original media source has gone; it has been reinterpreted many times over and in the course of all this their are bound to be the odd mistake or inaccuracy.

 

[Stapel]

According to the Bible Jesus appears to have made a few mistakes.

Like in Matthew 23:35 Jesus tells that Zechari'ah whom was murdered between the sanctuary and the altar was the son of Barachi'ah, but the corresponding Old Testament verse, 2 Chronicles 24:20 tells that Zechari'ah was the son of Jehoi'ada.

This was not Jesus' mistake, but a mistake of whoever wrote the "Gospel according to Matthew". Most scholars agree this person was not a first hand whitness of anything Jesus has done or said.

And in John 3:13 Jesus says that no one but the Son of man has ascended into heaven, but that isn’t true as Eli'jah too has ascended into heaven according to 2 Kings 2:11.

This was not Jesus' mistake, but a mistake of whoever wrote the "Gospel according to John". Not one single scholar thinks this person was a first hand whitness of anything Jesus has done or said.

In Matthew 11:14 Jesus tells that John the Baptist was Eli'jah, but John the Baptist himself denies this in John 1:21.

This was not Jesus' mistake, but a mistake of whoever wrote the "Gospel according to Matthew". Most scholars agree this person was not a first hand whitness of anything Jesus has done or said.
Furthermore, you seem to assume that the letters of John are written by John the Baptist?
I've never heared that theory before. It seems rather unlikely that letters written in 100 AD come from the hand of someone born around 0 AD, don't you think?

I think that contradictions like this must imply that either Jesus made some mistakes or the Bible gives an inaccurate description of Jesus or maybe both. Do you have any other explanations for why this kind of contradictions appears in the Bible?

I've stated so many times here that the gospels are religious proclamations, rather than historical documents, written long after his death. Whther you believe Jesus was the son of God or not, there is massive evidence the Jesus in the gospels is at partly an afterwards constructed hero.
I think it's pretty fair some inconsistency is present.

 

[Stapel]

the misstake he made was this: he said he was from god

Did he?

There are three possibilties, totally regardless whether he actually was "from God".

1. He indeed claimed he was.
2. He never claimed he was initially, but for some reason people started to think so. Yeshua thought this came in handy, and never bothered to deny it, and occasionally encouraged the idea.
3. His divinity was added to the orally transported stories, after his death. Once people started to write these stories down (for the first time 30-40 years after his death), the divinity part had pretty much embedded.

Who will tell?

 

[amadeus]

He made mistakes like you wouldn't believe. My Jesus blooper reel is hilarious -- once, he was turning water into wine, but lost his concentration and turned it into Pepsi.

The only explanation I can give is that the Bible is imperfect, like any other religious text. We can't know who did what or when at that time. We only have one historical record, and the record is disputed by millions of people.

 

[~Corsair#01~]

He got himself killed.

Mistake number 1!

 

[Longasc]

I found something that gays, atheists and christian fundamentalists have in common:

They care much too much about religion.

 

[Zarn]

The authors obviously have made mistakes. They are human. They can make mistakes.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

I am so fed up with threads about religion. 59.09%

Nice option.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Did he?

There are three possibilties, totally regardless whether he actually was "from God".

1. He indeed claimed he was.
2. He never claimed he was initially, but for some reason people started to think so. Yeshua thought this came in handy, and never bothered to deny it, and occasionally encouraged the idea.
3. His divinity was added to the orally transported stories, after his death. Once people started to write these stories down (for the first time 30-40 years after his death), the divinity part had pretty much embedded.

You left one out: Regardless of what he or anyone esle claimed, he actually was from god.

 

[CIVPhilzilla]

I'm fed up with religion threads. I don't really care whether Jesus made mistakes or not, I already know much of the written work in the bible is pure fiction.

 

[Dida]

Who care if he made mistake. Forget Jesus, focus on life.

 

[Quasar1011]

I couldn't vote. I didn't see a viable option to select. I would have selected, "neither Jesus nor the gospel writers made mistakes", but that option wasn't listed.

By the way, "son" in ancient Hebrew or Arabic, can mean "male descendant". Jesus was also known as the Son of David. Literally, according to our western customs, He wasn't; but according to the culture of the time, it makes perfect sense.

I'd like to post more, but I have an early dinner date with my lady.

 

[CurtSibling]

Since we have but historical fan-fiction to go on, it is hard to answer such a question about this figure.

It is fair to say as a human being he probably had his moments,
but centuries of fawning, deferential treatment can fix that, eh?

.

 

[CurtSibling]

-- once, he was turning water into wine, but lost his concentration and turned it into Pepsi.

A good result!

If he could turn the bread into a Stuffed Crust with cajun chicken, then we are loaded!

 

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