Do we live in a rape culture?

Indifference to the fate of criminals does not indicate a "rape culture". Nobody really cares about anything that goes on behind bars, be it murder, rape, assault, or drugs. It doesn't mean we love or support those things, it just means we don't care about the well-being of criminals. Not saying that's a good thing, just saying that it doesn't mean we have a "rape culture".
What about indifference to the fate of sluts?
 
Why Do Women Have Rape Fantasies?

"In recent studies, more than 90 percent of women admit having had sexual fantasies, and depending on the study, some one-third to two-thirds confess at least occasional fantasies of being forced into sex."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201508/why-do-women-have-rape-fantasies

Women have rape fantasies because it validates her sexual power. As we all know women are attracted to male use and utility to meet their own ends. Such extreme male desire enacted through male violence is seen by women as an instrument of extension to their own power. This is why the worlds most notoriously violent men have veritable harems of women vying for their attention and affection that would put the rest of us to shame by comparison.... particularly those that are violent rapists and murderers.

We must understand that women are as much or more violent than men are. They are implicitly so through men whenever possible and have shown themselves to be explicitly so given that rates of intimate partner violence are not only equal but women actually surpass men in measurements of intimate partner violence in certain categories. They are more likely to initiate violence with their male partner.

After all, what more is the nature of men than the product of eons of cumulative average desires of women. If you ever hear women shaming men for aspects of male nature tell them to check their female privilege and desire to have access to said violence at the door because as far as you're concerned they don't deserve to have it.
 
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That's not really a thing though.
I dunno about that. I think there's a pretty clear bias against women who engage in promiscuous behavior.
 
I dunno about that. I think there's a pretty clear bias against women who engage in promiscuous behavior.

Not really. Not saying there aren't individuals that think that way, but they are far from being in the majority.
 
I dunno about that. I think there's a pretty clear bias against women who engage in promiscuous behavior.

As there should be. It's dangerous, disgusting and immoral, it spreads disease, and leads to fatherless children and broken families who are forever on the State nipple.
 
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IMPAIRED JUDGMENT. She was not fully able to make sound decisions. Some men take it even further and slip a "date rape" drug into the women's drinks.

Slipping in drugs without the victim's consent is one thing, but most date rapes don't happen like that - the most common date rape drug is alcohol knowingly consumed by the victim prior to the rape.

And now we get into slippery slope territory. If a woman is so drunk that she is slurring her words, vomiting, and has trouble walking, or even worse if she's asleep or totally incoherent, she's obviously too inebriated to give consent. But if a man and a woman have been drinking equal amounts of booze, and they're both at a BAC of ~0.12 (euphoric, low inhibitions, not able to drive, but still mostly functional - "tipsy" or "buzzed"), and they go on to have consensual intercourse while both slightly drunk, this cannot be construed as rape - even if one or both of them regretted it later.

But it's impossible to draw a firm line here, and the result is there are a whole lot of borderline cases. And there's a presumption of legal innocence, as well, which makes even the clearly across-the-line cases very difficult to prosecute, in the absence of witnesses, a positive drug test for a date-rape drug, or physical injury to the woman.

Here's a personal anecdote to underline the case. The most recent time I did anything sexual with anyone - which was over two years ago - she and I had both been drinking. We each had one of those 500 mL mini-boxes of wine - 2/3 of a bottle, or less than 4 standard drinks, which for me is enough to make me slightly buzzed, happy, and less inhibited, but still totally rational. She appeared to feel the same, and we ended up having sex. Everything seemed normal until afterward, as we were brushing our teeth and preparing to go to sleep. She was still coherent, but made a comment that indicated she did not remember something minor that had happened about 15 minutes before. I asked her a couple more questions, and I realized she was in alcoholic blackout. When she awoke the next day, she remembered the first half of the night but not the second. It was okay, because we had been in a short-term casualish relationship and this wasn't the first time, and she did remember things starting to get sexual. But she had no memory of most of what happened next.

She had had a blackout, in which the short-term memory disconnects from the long-term memory. A person in an alcoholic blackout will usually seem normal (if a little drunk), because their short-term memory is okay and their long-term memory is too. It's just that short-term memories don't get recorded by the long-term memory. I had never heard of anyone blacking out at less than 4 standard drinks before, and I had gone drinking with her before, in larger amounts, without this ever happening. Apparently she had not really eaten dinner that night, and all the alcohol hit her bloodstream at once. She said afterwards not to worry and that she was really susceptible to blackouts. But blackouts have literally never happened to me, even during my stupid college years where I drank well past the point of vomiting and having the room start spinning.

This really scared me: what if this had been our first time together, and what if the blackout had started earlier? Would she think I raped her? This sort of thing happens sometimes, and it is absolutely a situation that could result in a rape accusation even though the man really would not be at fault - consent was granted from someone who was not visibly too intoxicated to grant it, but it failed to make it into her long term memory. And I don't even get around much - how often does this sort of thing happen to people who regularly go out and don't spend most of their weekends alone, making forum posts, reading books, and fooling around with chemicals?

My point is that it's a really gray area, and it's pretty much impossible for any third party to know the difference between my anecdote above and the sort of situation where someone is truly unable to speak coherently and is taken advantage of.
 
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This is a little spin off from a discussion in the Trump thread. So the idea that we live in a "rape culture" seems to be pretty popular lately, and I was wondering what you all thought about this.

Do you never get tired of launching these false premise threads?

Someone coins the term "rape culture." The snowflakes at Breitbart immediately feign offense. Next thing you know the little counter PC minions are running around spouting how the "popularity of the idea" is cramping the action in their basements.

If it is really that important to you to have an offense you can play outraged against, you don't need to infest the site with the latest thing the alt right is creating to be outraged over. Just PM me. I will cheerfully offend you.

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Do you never get tired of launching these false premise threads?

Someone coins the term "rape culture." The snowflakes at Breitbart immediately feign offense. Next thing you know the little counter PC minions are running around spouting how the "popularity of the idea" is cramping the action in their basements.

If it is really that important to you to have an offense you can play outraged against, you don't need to infest the site with the latest thing the alt right is creating to be outraged over. Just PM me. I will cheerfully offend you.

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Slipping in drugs without the victim's consent is one thing, but most date rapes don't happen like that - the most common date rape drug is alcohol knowingly consumed by the victim prior to the rape.

And now we get into slippery slope territory. If a woman is so drunk that she is slurring her words, vomiting, and has trouble walking, or even worse if she's asleep or totally incoherent, she's obviously too inebriated to give consent. But if a man and a woman have been drinking equal amounts of booze, and they're both at a BAC of ~0.12 (euphoric, low inhibitions, not able to drive, but still mostly functional - "tipsy" or "buzzed"), and they go on to have consensual intercourse while both slightly drunk, this cannot be construed as rape - even if one or both of them regretted it later.

But it's impossible to draw a firm line here, and the result is there are a whole lot of borderline cases. And there's a presumption of legal innocence, as well, which makes even the clearly across-the-line cases very difficult to prosecute, in the absence of witnesses, a positive drug test for a date-rape drug, or physical injury to the woman.

I think it's entirely possible to draw that line.

I'd like to ask, can you name another situation (socially, or criminally) where someone is able to do something while drunk and shirk all responsibility for their actions?

Therefore, if you give consent while drunk are you not solely responsible for that decision?
 
This is a little spin off from a discussion in the Trump thread. So the idea that we live in a "rape culture" seems to be pretty popular lately, and I was wondering what you all thought about this.

I pulled this definition from Women Against Violence Against Women:



I think there is no "rape culture" for the following reasons:

1. Rape is illegal. If our culture condones rape why do our laws prohibit it?
2. Nobody in their right mind would want to be considered a rapist. If rape was seen as "sexy" wouldn't people brag about being rapists?
3. Rape victims are afforded many special protections that victims of other crimes are not afforded (look up rape shield laws). This seems to suggest that our culture views rape as especially bad, not as something it condones.

What do you guys think? Do you have any friends or family that think it's cool to rape people? Do you personally support rape?

Baylor's football team and administration does and they nominally tout themselves as Christians so... maybe Christianity turns a blind eye to rape. You tell me.

Priests have been raping children for lord knows how long...and they are like a direct conduit to God himself so...
 
so... maybe Christianity turns a blind eye to rape. You tell me.

Priests have been raping children for lord knows how long...and they are like a direct conduit to God himself so...

Maybe islam turns a blind eye to rape. You tell me.

Imams have been raping children for lord knows how long...and they act like a direct conduit to God himself so...

British imam charged with raping minor boy
http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/british-imam-charged-with-raping-minor-boy-445030

Muslim child bride raped after marriage to 34-year-old, imam charged with child marriages at Melbourne mosque
http://pamelageller.com/2017/01/muslim-child-bride-raped.html/

Imam charged For Raping 15-Year-Old
http://www.nigerianeye.com/2012/04/iman-charged-for-raping-15-year-old.html

Muslim worship leader 'raped boy at mosque'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/muslim-worship-leader-raped-boy-at-mosque-2182791.html

Imam Charged with Raping Eight-Year-Old Student
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2012/01/imam-charged-with-raping-eight-year-old.html

A 48-year-old imam who teaches children about the Koran has been charged with sexually molesting an 11-year-old female student.
https://www.thelocal.se/20100506/26484

Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses. Women who allege rape without the benefit of the act having been witnessed by four men (who presumably develop a conscience afterwards) are actually confessing to having sex. If they or the accused happens to be married, then it is considered to be adultery.

Rape of Muslim women is against Islamic law - although the rape of non-Muslim women is not, if they are 'captured in battle' or bought as slaves. Even the rape of a Muslim woman is almost impossible to prove under strict Islamic law (Sharia). If the man claims that the act was consensual sex, there is very little that the woman can do to refute this. Islam places the burden of avoiding sexual encounters of any sort on the woman.

Quran (2:282) - Establishes that a woman's testimony is worth only half that of a man's in court (there is no "he said/she said" gridlock in Islam).

Quran (24:13) - "Why did they not bring four witnesses of it? But as they have not brought witnesses they are liars before Allah."
 
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I don't know about that, but from what I've read perhaps muslims do. You tell me.

Imams have been raping children for lord knows how long...
http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/british-imam-charged-with-raping-minor-boy-445030
http://pamelageller.com/2017/01/muslim-child-bride-raped.html/

See the difference between you and me is I set up an equivalency that I don't truly believe so that you fall over yourself to respond about Muslims, exactly as I imagined you would. It's bizarre that you don't take a moment to realize "huh, I am about to engage in a fallacious argument both in equivalency and in generalizing an entire group of people by the actions of a few and maybe I should revisit how my thought process" but your fundamental belief system doesn't allow for it.

You see something you think is an attack on you, you respond in kind never the wiser that it lays bare how arbitrary and incoherent your beliefs are.
 
See the difference between you and me is I set up an equivalency that I don't truly believe.

Except that's not what you did.

You attacked all Christians and I pointed out the ridiculousness of your implication and predictably you rushed to defend muslims and play the part of the apologist. Liberals loves to attack Christians, but will never attack muslims when there's so much more material out there. They have actual laws in many muslim countries that do in fact turn a blind eye to rape.

My objective wasn't to attack muslims, but to point out the sheer magnitude of your hypocrisy.
 
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Except that's not what you did.

You attacked all Christians and I pointed out the ridiculousness of your implication and predictably you rushed to defend muslims and play the part of the appologist. Liberals loves to attack Christians, but will never attack muslims when there's so much more material out there.

My objective wasn't to attack muslims. I was pointing out your hypocrisy.

Hahaha, ohhhhhhhhhhh did I now?

What hypocrisy? I don't believe Christianity has a predilection for rape.

I sling mud to show you how dumb it is, you sling mud cause you like it. ;)
 
Stating a fact like, "muslim countries have laws that turn a blind eye to rape" is "slinging mud" now? You're still playing the part of the hypocritical apologist I see.

I don't believe Christianity has a predilection for rape.

That's good because it doesn't. It's severely punished in Christian societies.
 
Stating a fact like, "muslim countries have laws that turn a blind eye to rape" is "slinging mud" now? You're still playing the part of the hypocritical apologist I see.

Where did I even reply to any assertion you made about Muslims?

That's good because it doesn't. It's severely punished in Christian societies.

That's quite the assertion. Why does the possibility that it isn't seem to make you bristle?
 
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