Do we need more contributors?

[Zack]

Sure, but I contend a "whole being greater than the sum of its parts" on this issue. We have more, larger, denser population centers, which form a result of a manifestation of culture issues other countries don't share. Because we're bigger, we net "bigger problems".

The US is not very densely populated compared to a lot of Western nations, especially those in Europe.

 

[Adjuvant]

The US is not very densely populated compared to a lot of Western nations, especially those in Europe.

But the subcultures in other Western nations don't share the same impacts on other subcultures... at all. That "reverberation" promotes the legitimacy in the minds of young people as they grow. I think you know what I mean.

edit: further, "parts" of the USA, sometimes the parts adverse criminal behavior is actually glorified, are as a matter of fact, just as if not more densely populated than those of other countries.

Sure, you don't hear alot of explicitly violent subculture emanating from Wyoming, but you do from NYC, LA, Chicago, etc.

further further : I know for a fact there aren't alot of young people who say "Hey let's act like a soccer hooligan from Scotland" or like a ... whatever Norway has... but again I'd bet you have young people in your countries who emulate violent gangsters and hate-ridden reprobates from the USA.

 

[El_Machinae]

That we nurture an environment of crime? That we nurture an environment of disproportionate punishment?

Sure. Disillusionment coupled with a propensity to jail seems could easily lead to a more imprisoned population.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Let's not forget the so-called war on drugs which caused the prison population to soar, and how even black or Hispanic pot smokers in many neighborhoods are deliberately targeted by the police to "get them into the system".

 

[Adjuvant]

Sure. Disillusionment coupled with a propensity to jail seems could easily lead to a more imprisoned population.

You think we "nurture an environment of disillusionment" or is that propagated by the very miscreants propagating the disrespect for authority and the intolerance of other humans just for being human?

 

[Zack]

But the subcultures in other Western nations don't share the same impacts on other subcultures... at all. That "reverberation" promotes the legitimacy in the minds of young people as they grow. I think you know what I mean.

edit: further, "parts" of the USA, sometimes the parts adverse criminal behavior is actually glorified, are as a matter of fact, just as if not more densely populated than those of other countries.

Sure, you don't hear alot of explicitly violent subculture emanating from Wyoming, but you do from NYC, LA, Chicago, etc.

further further : I know for a fact there aren't alot of young people who say "Hey let's act like a soccer hooligan from Scotland" or like a ... whatever Norway has... but again I'd bet you have young people in your countries who emulate violent gangsters and hate-ridden reprobates from the USA.

Huh? What are you going on about?

 

[Adjuvant]

An improperly handled quality to our approach to "heal" those who habitually self-medicate has contributed to an overly populated prison system. I agree with that.

 

[El_Machinae]

You think we "nurture an environment of disillusionment"?

Yes, in that the American Dream is mostly a trick. And there's a general culture of blaming people for being poor.

 

[Adjuvant]

Huh? What are you going on about?

You need more tourism points? Your culture points are not enough to withstand our tourism value's pressure?

I'm in a nerdy mood tonight.

 

[Crezth]

I was thinking this Off-topic forum could use some more contributors! How would you guys like it if I brought up this forum to my church's bible study organization? Maybe not all would "stick around", but I bet I could coax 50 or so to be regular contributors, especially on topics about, or that become, atheism vs christian debate!

Is this something you'd enjoy? I sure would.

? but god isnt real

 

[Zack]

? but god isnt real

Of course he is, I saw him at the airport the other day eating a burrito.

 

[Crezth]

really? ok my bad

 

[DroopyTofu]

Of course he is, I saw him at the airport the other day eating a burrito.

I think you confused Him with His Son, Jesus.

 

[Crezth]

now i know for a FACT that jesus doesnt exist. hes like superman or batman, you know, a character!

 

[Adjuvant]

I bet they are going to want to excommunicate Adjuvant after they discover he is a Daily Show fan.

Anyone want to see how completely unnecessary Formy's comments are?

 

[Traitorfish]

ok. How should I go about proving that a subculture of "apathy to authority promotes like apathy authority" to the nth degree"? Do studies which prove "young people exposed to gun violence and drug sales have a greater propensity to emulate said behavior" work?

Help me, here.

I don't really know what you're talking about, so I'll clarify that my comment is in regard to the specific claim that Russia and China have lower incarceration rates than the US because they make up the difference and more in executions. That should not be difficult, if you're certain about this.

 

[Adjuvant]

I don't really know what you're talking about, so I'll clarify that my comment is in regard to the specific claim that Russia and China have lower incarceration rates than the US because they make up the difference and more in executions. That should not be difficult, if you're certain about this.

I've typed a number of responses but none negate the fact I'm biased by media slanted to premises of my interpretations of "freedom". It's an interesting question of why I understand those governments to be "unfair" and even "cruel". Do you think I'm being misled?

edit: that's to say I've spent time typing a response to this and erased it several times.

 

[Lone Wolf]

Russia still has the moratorium on death penalty in action, afaik.

 

[peter grimes]

"The United States has a higher proportion of its population in prison than any other Western nation, and more than Russia or China."

I'd be willing to bet it's because we have a higher population than any other Western nation, and we have more incarcerated than Russia or China because those countries are a bit more "liberal" with their death penalty, if the suspects even make it to court.

You're wrong, and this is easily confirmed.

http://www.deathpenaltyworldwide.org/country-search-post.cfm?country=China
Their annual numbers of executions is 3 orders of magnitude lower than our overall incarcerated population.

I'm not going to bother doing Russia, since you should do your own homework - but that same website can fill you in on your error.

It's a good thing nobody jumped at the chance to accept your hasty wager!

 

[Formaldehyde]

Anyone want to see how completely unnecessary Formy's comments are?

Anyone want to see how Adjuvant apparently has no sense of humor?

You do realize that many conservatives can't stand the Daily Show. Right?

Sure, you don't hear alot of explicitly violent subculture emanating from Wyoming, but you do from NYC, LA, Chicago, etc.

Because ranchers typically don't live in urban conditions where they are frequently the victims of gang violence and overzealous cops? Because they have no real need to turn to crime? Because the few who do are quickly known by all their neighbors?

I've typed a number of responses but none negate the fact I'm biased by media slanted to premises of my interpretations of "freedom". It's an interesting question of why I understand those governments to be "unfair" and even "cruel". Do you think I'm being misled?

So you don't think it is possible that the very same media has painted a country, which is actually far worse in this particular regard, in just the opposite way?

Does it make any sense at all why a country which is supposed to be a shining example of justice and equality, and supposedly so unlike Russia and China, has the largest proportional prison population in the world. That it is over 7 times higher than Europe? What makes our criminal element any different than that of any other country?

Why does the prison population continue to rise while crime has been declining ever since abortion became legal, not just in the US but in other countries which legalized it as well?


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