Do you think North Korea qualifies as communist?

Do you consider North Korea communist?

  • Yes, I do.

    Votes: 53 41.1%
  • No, I don't.

    Votes: 59 45.7%
  • I don't know / I don't care

    Votes: 17 13.2%

  • Total voters
    129
Winner said:
Wait, let me think about it, umm...

Miserable living conditions? Yes.
Famine? Yes.
Police terror? Yes.
Concentration camps? Yes.
Presence of great leader? Yes.
Militarism? Yes.

I think we can say that North Korea is almost perfect example of communism put into practice.

If you only take the failures yes, Cuba isn't too bad, but essentially communism seems repleat with failure, Because people don't work the way communism would like them to work. It's an ideal you should strive for yes, because if you could get it to work it would bring harmony to all involved, the sad thing is, and this is admittedly in my limitted knowledge, everyone is equal but some people are more equal than others, this is human nature; overcome this and communism will work; as I see it humanity is far to self absorbed, self believing, selfish, hypocritical and generally ignorant to change much beyond the state of a hairless ape. Who knows one day?
 
Sidhe said:
If you only take the failures yes, Cuba isn't too bad, but essentially communism seems repleat with failure, Because people don't work the way communism would like them to work. It's an ideal you should strive for yes, because if you could get it to work it would bring harmony to all involved, the sad thing is, and this is admittedly in my limitted knowledge, everyone is equal but some people are more equal than others, this is human nature; overcome this and communism will work; as I see it humanity is far to self absorbed, self believing, selfish, hypocritical and generally ignorant to change much beyond the state of a hairless ape. Who knows one day?

Well, you may call me selfish, but I really don't think that we should hold communism and total equality as an ideal. It is simply inhuman, human society is by its very nature hierarchic, it has always been and I think it should remain so, of course with respect to people's rights etc.

You're right in saying that because of the inherent human nature, communism will always fail and the consequences will always be terrible. It is symptomatic that every country that has tried to reach an ideal communist society ended up as a totalitarian hellhole.
 
Pasi is just making a long sarcastic joke........... albeit not to my taste

Anyway, no it doesn't its like a toltalitarian monarchy state
 
luiz said:
I agree that they are arguably the only communist state left in the world.

Which explains why the average North Korean live worse than a starving animal.

Twist it anyway you want, the "masses" suffer in NK far more than they do in, well, pretty much anywhere else.

NK is really what communism is all about: enslaving everyone in the name of the greater good, crushing the human spirit and turning everyone into cheap robots that can be easily replaced. Denying that humans are individuals and only talking about the "masses".

We agree, Ayn Rynd.
 
Sidhe said:
If you only take the failures yes, Cuba isn't too bad
Define "too bad".

If that mean "not as bad as North Korea", than you are certainly right.
Otherwise you are quite wrong.
 
augurey said:
We agree, Ayn Rynd.
I never read a single book by Rand and in fact I didn't even know she existed before I joined this forum. Nobody (and I mean nobody) in Brazil knows about her.

Just to clarify.

Edit: Just to make another unrelated comment without the need of another post. What scares me the most about communism supporters is that once they acknowledged the colossal failure that their dream was, they started blaming human nature and instead of adapting their ideology to human nature, they want to adapt human nature to it. They believe so blindly and against all evidence that their religion (ops, ideology) is right that they would rather change what make us human than change their dogma.
 
Winner said:
Wait, let me think about it, umm...

Miserable living conditions? Yes.
Famine? Yes.
Police terror? Yes.
Concentration camps? Yes.
Presence of great leader? Yes.
Militarism? Yes.

I think we can say that North Korea is almost perfect example of communism put into practice.
Through your post somehow I was reminded of an old joke that ties in well to the recent North Korean missile fiasco.

Poland recently test fired their newest space rocket. The rocket went up 100 feet, 200 feet, 300 feet, and then it ran out of coal.
 
luiz said:
Define "too bad".

If that mean "not as bad as North Korea", than you are certainly right.
Otherwise you are quite wrong.

yep, but then we all know deep down inside that no country is doing anything right, it's just we don't care to change the situation, mankind is pushing a rock he doesn't see up a hill he doesn't acknowledge, only to let it roll back down to a point we couldn't see as being real in the first place.:mischief:
 
Sidhe said:
If you only take the failures yes, Cuba isn't too bad, but essentially communism seems repleat with failure, Because people don't work the way communism would like them to work.
It could also have something to do with the fact that Communism has never actually been put into practice, nor is it even really a political system. It was Marx's theory of history. He just assumed Communism was the inevitable end result. So far, he's been proven wrong.

A few power-hungry individuals, such as Lenin, decided "Hey, this is a pretty good tool to rally the poor masses around so we can usurp power, lets say we're trying to bring it about so they'll follow us."

And so they set about it. Of course, none of the "Communist" governments have ever been "Communist". It was, for example, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. This is mostly because Marx never stated how the Proletariat would magically come to power. These governments never clarified it, because they never intended to allow it to happen. Why? Because if everyone is "equal", not only does the specialized job economy upon which all modern society relies collapse, but so does government (the natural end state of Communism, as defined by Marx, is a classless and stateless and composed of total equality; effectively an Anarchy), as any government official would be out of a job, and out of power, which is why all this was done in the first place.

So, is North Korea "Communist", in the ideal sense of the word? No. Has there ever been a "Communist" country, in the ideal sense of the word? No.

Is North Korea a brutal, Stalinist regime bent on oppressing the masses and seeking ever greater power and glory for itself? You bet. Close enough for a "yes" since that's what most other "Communist" countries were anyway (and it's a nice catch-all label for them and their ilk): the tool for a single charismatic man to subjugate all others to his bidding while distracting them with fairy-tales of liberation.
 
Guys, I really think that Pasi is being sarcastic.
 
rmsharpe said:
You guys don't know Pasi, do you?

Oh I know him alright, and I really don't think he truly believes this.

Unless of course, All those trips through Vietnam and China involved staying at the Hanoi Hilton.
 
I now withdraw my assumption that Pasi was being sarcastic:eek:
 
warpus said:
There is no partisan infighting because anyone who openly disagrees with the party is imprisoned and/or executed.

Pasi Nurminen said:
Evidence, please?

Since no evidence has been provided, I'm going to have to assume warpus (and the rest of you lot, for that matter) are trolling in an effort to obfuscate this discussion. You have failed.
 
Bright day
You know there are communes in western world? Kibutzin being the most famous example?

It is despotism with few marks of army and bureocratic oligarchy.
 
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