If we move it north one, it will lose an ivory and the rice, making an already food poor city even worse. It'll also overlap 2 tiles with our capital, AND it will no longer be on the river. Will the copper not be just inside Bibracte's borders once they pop again (which is pretty soon)?
eldar01 - What's The Story?
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eldar
ChiefTank
Keep in mind that if Wang acquires a tech we get it too, so Alphabet is a winner all around. And we can tell Wang what to research, so depending on the relative beaker counts, and you can review his city screen to find that out, it may work to send him after Alphabet while we clean up the cheap techs, then share the remaining research on letters. Or send him after the cheap stuff while we work on Alphabet.
Does Wang have any copper in his neighborhood?
Does Wang have any copper in his neighborhood?
namliaM
Deity
I agree about the need for copper, but moving it one north? Losing the rice is not nice
, offcourse lossing a conquest to the Barbs is even less nice....How about going for Archery for primary defence?
I think chopping/building an obelisk while getting some archers for defence will do. Even on raging the first barbs are warriors and archers where we can promote up to Combat + Shock, to face the first few Axemen. By then the borders should pop and connect the copper asap (make sure to pre-road it). Moving it one north IMHO is not an option.
namliaM
Deity
I did pick up the game and played 20 turns, the save can be found here
I start of my turnset to change research, I want to know where the Iron is ASAP and possibly stop my set there to discuss. So I ask Wang to research IW with me.
While researching it I kill a barb warrior and our archer picks up Combat 1.
Judaism is founded as we discover IW.
Iron didnt really change anything I think, so I continued on... This is the neighbourhood....
Meanwhile Wang is having some Barb issues as we research the remainder of writing and Wang starts on AH, he can use the cow pasture!
Our settler is out and about, the Archer that I inserted before the settler (Isa's archer + barb activity left me worried to leave the capitol undefended) went ahead and finds that there is a barb at our location, this location btw also suggested by the blue circel
Turn 68 the town of Vienne is founded on the proper spot and starts an Obelisk, which will take 15 turns.
I did take the spiritual time to revolt to Slavery but havent whipped anything yet... But at the end of my turnset I think Bibracte has reached the perfect whipping time....
The food is at the half way point, the perfect point to finish a Granary and fill it. I allready put 1 turn into it, but it is currently queed after the Archer.
Wang has IMHO some screwed up settling priorites, look where he is taking his settler
And I leave Paul in a little pickle which should be pretty easily cleared up by our archer. I had intended the worker in the NW to be farming the first Fants for the food, but the barbs got in the way so I started roading between Bibracte and Vienne instead.
I start of my turnset to change research, I want to know where the Iron is ASAP and possibly stop my set there to discuss. So I ask Wang to research IW with me.
While researching it I kill a barb warrior and our archer picks up Combat 1.
Judaism is founded as we discover IW.
Iron didnt really change anything I think, so I continued on... This is the neighbourhood....
Meanwhile Wang is having some Barb issues as we research the remainder of writing and Wang starts on AH, he can use the cow pasture!
Our settler is out and about, the Archer that I inserted before the settler (Isa's archer + barb activity left me worried to leave the capitol undefended) went ahead and finds that there is a barb at our location, this location btw also suggested by the blue circel
Turn 68 the town of Vienne is founded on the proper spot and starts an Obelisk, which will take 15 turns.
I did take the spiritual time to revolt to Slavery but havent whipped anything yet... But at the end of my turnset I think Bibracte has reached the perfect whipping time....
The food is at the half way point, the perfect point to finish a Granary and fill it. I allready put 1 turn into it, but it is currently queed after the Archer.
Wang has IMHO some screwed up settling priorites, look where he is taking his settler
And I leave Paul in a little pickle which should be pretty easily cleared up by our archer. I had intended the worker in the NW to be farming the first Fants for the food, but the barbs got in the way so I started roading between Bibracte and Vienne instead.
omni_paul
Mr. Shambles
Got it. Will play tonight, post tomorrow.
omni_paul
Mr. Shambles
OK. I open the save to find there are 585 turns remaining. Ill play 15 and bring it down to a nice round and even number. Besides, Im not sure Im up to 20 tonight.
Wang is doing a great job militarily, motivated Im sure by the barb archers menacing him. Hes a bit slow to get his 2nd city up and running, and it certainly appears to be in a SPECULATIVE position, if not downright crappy. Oh well, his choice I guess. Actually Im guessing hes doing it to be closer to us. Awww, aint that nice?
We have a minor barb infestation near our copper city, but that should be easy enough to deal with.
Whipping the granary would cost 2 pop at this point, but as pointed out the regrowth would be quick, and overflow would finish our archer smartly. Ill do it, and intend to pair up the archer with a settler so we can get to 3 cities and start building the GW.
Mr. Whippy.
Turn 1 (1720 BC):
IBT our archer in Vienne squished a barb archer and warrior, leaving him 2.8/3 and earning a promotion, which I save for ron when he might need it more.
Bibracte > Granary > Archer (4)
Bibractes borders pop, sending Lizzies archer packing.
Couple more barbs around, nothing we cant handle.
Turn 2 (1690 BC):
Toad wants OB. Hmm. I say yes for now. If she wants to distract barbs in our territory, good luck to her.
Vienne is hooked up to Bibracte. Yay.
There are barb archers on the move. Im lamenting the fact that we only have one worker. Id really like to chop a forested hill near Bibracte to move things along, but we also need to farm those phants. My concern is that if I send the worker down to the phants, we dont really have the defence to back him up if were attacked from 2 sides. Just now Im going to take 1 forest for Bibracte, sorry if you all disagree. We need the prod boost.
Move Viennes archer out onto a hill to prevent road pillage.
Turn 3 (1660 BC):
IBT: Archer defeats barb archer, with 1.6 to spare. I use the owing promotion (Garrison I) to bring him up to 2.3 and return to the city.
Animal Husbandry > Mathematics (23 with Wangs help).
I also have to move Bibractes archer out onto the gold mine for fear of losing that.
Maths for the chop yield, eventual cats and path to maces.
Turn 4 (1630 BC):
Archer def barb archer (0.8). I give him Guerilla because I think hell be doing some hill defending (Bibracte is on a hill) and he comes up to 1.9. Go home and heal, arrowsponge.
Turn 5 (1600 BC):
Bibracte > Archer > Worker (10) <<< just grown, plus chop will help
I like the look of the clam city. Easy to defend too, so I think we should head for that with a settler after this worker, but that will be up to the next, better player.
Turn 6 (1570 BC):
Turn 7 (1540 BC):
Chop brings worker down to 5 turns. A barb archer will suicide on Vienne IBT.
Turn 8 (1510 BC):
Archer def without taking a scratch. Warrior in the NW will not be a problem.
I continue the cottage spamming in Bibracte. The second worker can go and help Vienne. Bibs second archer heads up to protect the worker, and hopefully pick up some valuable XP.
Turn 9 (1480 BC):
Barb warrior moves closer. I have 92.7% to take him out and probably gain 2XP instead of 1. I go for it. He wins without taking a scratch and earns his 2XP for a promotion next turn.
Turn 10 (1450 BC):
Ill save the promotion again. Another barb warrior on the horizon, otherwise.
Turn 11 (1420 BC):
Decide to force the issue with the barb and do a little exploring in the NW.
Turn 12 (1390 BC):
Bibracte > Worker > Settler (17)
Vienne > Monument > Archer (19) <<< Will grow next turn though.
I move the new worker to the copper to build a road in anticipation of the border pop.
Turn 13 (1360 BC):
IBT barb warrior suicides on our archer (2.6). I give him his promotion to combat 1 to heal him to 2.8 and continue looking around.
Turn 14 (1330 BC):
Turn 15 (1300 BC):
Cottage finishes, as does road, so next player has 2 free workers to direct.
There are no barbs in sight, and all I found in the NW was some iron in a fairly dodgy city site.
Apologies for the lack of visuals, but really, there wasnt much to show.
Heres how we look:
And heres the save:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/83026/Eldar_the_Great_BC-1300.CivWarlordsSave
Wang is doing a great job militarily, motivated Im sure by the barb archers menacing him. Hes a bit slow to get his 2nd city up and running, and it certainly appears to be in a SPECULATIVE position, if not downright crappy. Oh well, his choice I guess. Actually Im guessing hes doing it to be closer to us. Awww, aint that nice?
We have a minor barb infestation near our copper city, but that should be easy enough to deal with.
Whipping the granary would cost 2 pop at this point, but as pointed out the regrowth would be quick, and overflow would finish our archer smartly. Ill do it, and intend to pair up the archer with a settler so we can get to 3 cities and start building the GW.
Mr. Whippy.
Turn 1 (1720 BC):
IBT our archer in Vienne squished a barb archer and warrior, leaving him 2.8/3 and earning a promotion, which I save for ron when he might need it more.
Bibracte > Granary > Archer (4)
Bibractes borders pop, sending Lizzies archer packing.
Couple more barbs around, nothing we cant handle.
Turn 2 (1690 BC):
Toad wants OB. Hmm. I say yes for now. If she wants to distract barbs in our territory, good luck to her.
Vienne is hooked up to Bibracte. Yay.
There are barb archers on the move. Im lamenting the fact that we only have one worker. Id really like to chop a forested hill near Bibracte to move things along, but we also need to farm those phants. My concern is that if I send the worker down to the phants, we dont really have the defence to back him up if were attacked from 2 sides. Just now Im going to take 1 forest for Bibracte, sorry if you all disagree. We need the prod boost.
Move Viennes archer out onto a hill to prevent road pillage.
Turn 3 (1660 BC):
IBT: Archer defeats barb archer, with 1.6 to spare. I use the owing promotion (Garrison I) to bring him up to 2.3 and return to the city.
Animal Husbandry > Mathematics (23 with Wangs help).
I also have to move Bibractes archer out onto the gold mine for fear of losing that.
Maths for the chop yield, eventual cats and path to maces.
Turn 4 (1630 BC):
Archer def barb archer (0.8). I give him Guerilla because I think hell be doing some hill defending (Bibracte is on a hill) and he comes up to 1.9. Go home and heal, arrowsponge.
Turn 5 (1600 BC):
Bibracte > Archer > Worker (10) <<< just grown, plus chop will help
I like the look of the clam city. Easy to defend too, so I think we should head for that with a settler after this worker, but that will be up to the next, better player.
Turn 6 (1570 BC):
Turn 7 (1540 BC):
Chop brings worker down to 5 turns. A barb archer will suicide on Vienne IBT.
Turn 8 (1510 BC):
Archer def without taking a scratch. Warrior in the NW will not be a problem.
I continue the cottage spamming in Bibracte. The second worker can go and help Vienne. Bibs second archer heads up to protect the worker, and hopefully pick up some valuable XP.
Turn 9 (1480 BC):
Barb warrior moves closer. I have 92.7% to take him out and probably gain 2XP instead of 1. I go for it. He wins without taking a scratch and earns his 2XP for a promotion next turn.
Turn 10 (1450 BC):
Ill save the promotion again. Another barb warrior on the horizon, otherwise
.Turn 11 (1420 BC):
Decide to force the issue with the barb and do a little exploring in the NW.
Turn 12 (1390 BC):
Bibracte > Worker > Settler (17)
Vienne > Monument > Archer (19) <<< Will grow next turn though.
I move the new worker to the copper to build a road in anticipation of the border pop.
Turn 13 (1360 BC):
IBT barb warrior suicides on our archer (2.6). I give him his promotion to combat 1 to heal him to 2.8 and continue looking around.
Turn 14 (1330 BC):
Turn 15 (1300 BC):
Cottage finishes, as does road, so next player has 2 free workers to direct.
There are no barbs in sight, and all I found in the NW was some iron in a fairly dodgy city site.
Apologies for the lack of visuals, but really, there wasnt much to show.
Heres how we look:
And heres the save:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/83026/Eldar_the_Great_BC-1300.CivWarlordsSave
Clam city is looking pretty good with the addition of horses too.
But maybe our 3rd city should be by the gold and pigs up towards the English, to prevent them expanding too close to us - it looks like vicky is blocked into a horrid tundra corner which will simplify things for us. I'm no longer sure of getting the GW - we've waited a long time for it. If we are going to build it, it'll have to be very soon. If not, we need to work on getting some more archers as the barb axemen will be making an appearance pretty soon. Might be worth getting walls (Dun) in Vienne? We have a worker sitting on our copper which as yet is not in our borders. Now that it has a road, he could be making a camp on the ivory while we wait for them to pop.
Wang's second city is unbelievably bad
But maybe our 3rd city should be by the gold and pigs up towards the English, to prevent them expanding too close to us - it looks like vicky is blocked into a horrid tundra corner which will simplify things for us. I'm no longer sure of getting the GW - we've waited a long time for it. If we are going to build it, it'll have to be very soon. If not, we need to work on getting some more archers as the barb axemen will be making an appearance pretty soon. Might be worth getting walls (Dun) in Vienne? We have a worker sitting on our copper which as yet is not in our borders. Now that it has a road, he could be making a camp on the ivory while we wait for them to pop.
Wang's second city is unbelievably bad
Looks like we hold the stone on this island at least, so why not make a run for the Great Wall?
In my expereince the AI has a tendency to ignore, or at least delay, both the Pyramids and the Wall unless they hold workable stone.
Looking good so far with both copper and iron in reach and more food than you can shake a stick at.
In my expereince the AI has a tendency to ignore, or at least delay, both the Pyramids and the Wall unless they hold workable stone.
Looking good so far with both copper and iron in reach and more food than you can shake a stick at.
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
My eyes may deceive me, but couldn't we grab iron, gold and corn to the SW of our capital? Settle NE of the iron?
namliaM
Deity
Yes we could.... I didnt think about that... Tho NE-E of the Iron may be a better spot.
omni_paul
Mr. Shambles
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eldar
ChiefTank
Darn, I'm going to have to play and really ruin this game? All good things come to an end, I guess... got it, but I can't play until tomorrow evening.
omni_paul
Mr. Shambles
Bumpity.
Any sign of eldar?
Any sign of eldar?
namliaM
Deity
Should we just go ahead have have the munk play?
omni_paul
Mr. Shambles
Been almost 72 hours since his 'got it'. I'd say yeah.
eldar
ChiefTank
Hello... been busy... I'll play it tonight.
eldar
ChiefTank
I played 20 turns, and well... let's just say we have a bit of difficulty:
As you can see, the Barbarians are taking over. Here's how it happened...
The RNG hates me, I swear. So we hunker down in Bibracte with a pair of injured Archers, and pray....
Spoiler Heeeelp! :
As you can see, the Barbarians are taking over. Here's how it happened...
Spoiler turnlog :
The RNG hates me, I swear. So we hunker down in Bibracte with a pair of injured Archers, and pray....
namliaM
Deity
Nice going Eldar 
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