Hygro
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Family just picked up a 2010 prius with 60k miles for 10k! It was an immediate buy. Mine has ballpark 165k and it's doing quite ok. I've been picked up by a number of prius 2010ish ubers with 250-350k miles!
Electric vehicles
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Since we have been driving 2009s for 14 years, we wanted a bunch of the new tech and improved safety features.
Gasoline electric hybridWhat kind of hybrid is your new Camry?
Btw congrats on the purchase
New car model years are usually in the show rooms 6-7 months before the calendar changes; been that way for many decades. Car model years can be strange: my 2009 Carolla was actually built in 2007 but was the 2009 model.
stfoskey12
Emperor of Foskania
I have a 2011 Prius with 148K miles. It sometimes sounds a little rough on the freeway, tho, so I may need to get it checked out. If I had more money, and there was better charging infrastructure in Oklahoma, I would consider getting an EV. But our state is still so oil-focused that I don't see a lot of charging stations around just yet. What I really want is for apartment complexes to have more charging spots.
BTW I am amazed that a new car was comparable to an used one. Here you lose loads of money driving it off the forecourt. For reference, I posted in the other thread about this BMW 330i that sold for under £20k rather than £50k new as it was two years old, though not driven.
You do "lose" a lot buying new, but our last new car was a 1983 Tercel. Everything since then has been used. We didn't want to spend the time or energy searching for used ones with low mileage.
There are a couple more brand new Fisker Oceans coming through the auction, I reckon some dealers have lost some significant amount of money on them.
Ordnael
Emperor
Tariffs Be Damned, BYD Is Hellbent On Taking Over Europe Anyway
The idea being thrown around, by not only car makers but also governments and "specialized" press, that segment B or C cars priced "between $27,000 and $33,000 (25,000 to 30,000 EUR)" as Stella says are affordable is, for me, both laughable and sad!
I still keep remembering a BYD Dolphin I saw before the new tariffs priced at over 37K€. That is a B segment interior with C segment exterior.
Ordnael
Emperor
They don't sell electric cars because they don't understand the new generations
No venden coches eléctricos porqué no entienden a las nuevas generaciones | forococheselectricos
Los medios europeos acusan a las propuestas chinas de hacer trucos de marketing al ofrecer equipamientos novedosos e imaginativos que permiten otorgar al coche nuevas y emocionantes funcionalidades. Algo que denota los problemas de desconexión de los grupos tradicionales con las nuevas generaciones.
I think I can understand the allure of a car which can turn into a mini living room to hang out with your friends when you may be living in a Mega-City One akin apartment building housing thousands of people.The European media accuses the Chinese proposals of using marketing tricks by offering novel and imaginative equipment that allows the car to be given new and exciting functionalities. Something that denotes the problems of disconnection between traditional groups and the new generations.
Western and Japanese manufacturers are being rapidly expelled from the main world automobile market. China . But even in their markets, sales are not advancing as expected, where traditional groups cannot find the key to increase their sales of electric cars. An article in the prestigious Automotive News portal gives us a clue.
And you only have to take a look at the cars from traditional and Chinese manufacturers to see enormous differences. Differences ranging from a much more daring design, more extensive equipment and much more polished software.
The question is why foreign manufacturers don't copy the Chinese ones. The explanation is given to us by Automotive News in its article.
Titled « Have Chinese car tricks gone too far? » This one is about the “marketing tricks” that new Chinese manufacturers are using. Some tricks that are based on offering unusual equipment and features . Something that they classify as dangerous in some aspects.
Elements such as footrests for occupants, refrigerators, induction mobile phone charging with cooling, customizable exterior lights, seats with massage and ventilation also in the rear seats.
The Dongfeng Box can completely fold its seats
There is also the possibility of folding the seats completely to create a space where many people watch movies, which has attracted the attention of the European media, which classifies them as eccentricities or tricks. And this is a response to a society where many young people seek to create a kind of second living room, eager to briefly escape from apartments where several generations live together. Something that the price of housing is starting to have its effect in Europe.
An example is the latest launch of the Zeekr brand , owned by the giant Geely Group, which as we remember, is not exactly a startup since it is one of the main global manufacturers, owner of brands such as Volvo, Polestar, Lotus, smart, itself. Zeekr, or for being the largest shareholder of Mercedes-Benz.
It has launched a very striking model on the market. The Mix . A minivan with a futuristic design that is already in dealerships in China, and that comes with aspects such as a propulsion system of more than 400 HP, and batteries of between 77 and 101 kWh. All in a body that is just 4.68 meters long, where we find ample interior space thanks to a wheelbase of 3,008 mm.
Zeekr Mix
This translates into a body somewhat smaller than a Tesla Model Y, but a space like a Mercedes S Class, which allows Zeekr to offer a large space where we find a cabin with up to six seats , which can be configured in such a way that we can convert the back area into a living room. A model with up to three sliding doors, which has been a trend these days on Chinese social networks.
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And to promote the vehicle, its vice president, Yang Dacheng, has appeared in a video where he is seen eating a type of soup from a hot pot . The videos went viral, racking up nearly a million views and over 4,100 posts on Weibo alone. People debated the practicality of eating a meal of boiling soup in a car and wondered what effect the smell might have on the interior.
For some, this is a marketing trick , while others defend that it is another alternative use to this versatile model, and that it explores new market niches to try to find as many customers as possible.
Functions and software increasingly adapted to new generations, which are not understood by Western brands incapable of breaking out of their traditional mold, which translates into conversational proposals that are easily surpassed by Chinese groups.
And if you don't know how to make electric cars, you don't want to sell electric cars, and you don't know how to sell electric cars...the conclusion is that you won't sell electric cars.
But there are others who will.
As soon as cars are seen as driving themselves safely, such cars as above will zoom in popularity.
EnglishEdward
Deity
It has been clear to me for some time that western carmakers have largely turned their back on creativity and innovation.
I think the culture of cost cutting, economy of scale of production, standardisation, maximising returns to shareholders etc preclude it.
I think the culture of cost cutting, economy of scale of production, standardisation, maximising returns to shareholders etc preclude it.
It is easier to copy someone else's success than create your own.
EnglishEdward
Deity
I rather think that Elon Musk understands the importance of creativity and innovation, and I think encourages it.
Problem is that is top down, and creativity and innovation are by their nature inherently bottom up.
And I'd say that providing top down financial support for such, works better in the space than the car industry.
Problem is that is top down, and creativity and innovation are by their nature inherently bottom up.
And I'd say that providing top down financial support for such, works better in the space than the car industry.
Ordnael
Emperor
The president of Ford admits that he has been driving a Xiaomi car for six months, and he is delighted
El presidente de Ford admite que conduce un coche de Xiaomi desde hace seis meses, y está encantado | forococheselectricos
La evolución de los grupos automovilísticos chinos está siendo fulgurante, e incluso directivos como el presidente de Ford se han sorprendido por la calidad y prestaciones de propuestas como la de Xiaomi.
Shots firedLast April, Ford president Jim Farley flew with his team to Shanghai to visit its facilities in China and see first-hand the evolution of local competition . A trip with a lot of impact since the high level of development of the Chinese groups impacted Farley. In addition, they took advantage of the trip to buy and take to Detroit several Chinese electric cars, including a unit of the Xiaomi SU7.
Upon his return from China, Mr. Farley indicated in an interview that in that market customers can find cars with ranges of 400 or 500 km , with prices of less than 15,000 euros . Models with very advanced technologies, much more than Western ones, at bargain prices, which for the head of Ford, are an existential risk for brands like the one he directs .
This week, Jim Farley himself conducted an interview on the Robert Llewellyn podcast in "The Fully Charged Podcast" where he confirmed, in addition to the fact that they have purchased a unit of the Xiaomi electric car , that he has been driving it for six months, and he has also indicated that he is delighted and that he does not want to leave it.
Ford CEO Jim Farley
« It's fantastic. They sell between 10,000 and 20,000 units a month. They sell out for six months. You already know that Xiaomi is an industry giant and a much stronger consumer brand than car companies .
Regarding Chinese brands, Farley has previously indicated that she is aware of the speed at which the Asian giant's groups are moving. They have analyzed proposals such as the market leader, BYD , which has surprised them with its advanced and simple engineering , in addition to its good dynamic capabilities. There is no longer a section that the Chinese have not controlled and improved.
The risk is not only that they are becoming strong in their market. Their overcapacity is leading them to expand outside their borders , such as Europe, but also with an unthinkable speed in other regions that are less important in terms of advertising, but that add units to the overall balance: Latin America, Africa, the Middle East...etc.
Xiaomi SU7
For example, in Brazil, the Chinese occupy 88% of the electric car market, and in Thailand they account for 70%. In the rest, its presence does not stop growing.
The race will not be easy. Ford is seeing revenue and profits falling rapidly, and in the company's second quarter earnings per share were $0.47, missing analyst estimates of $0.68. Its profitability for the quarter was hit by weak sales from its electric car division, which posted a $1.14 billion loss amid slowing demand.
Xiaomi SU7
It will not be easy for the Chinese either, who will have to invest a lot of money in this first phase. In the case of Xiaomi , its electric car division accumulated losses in the second quarter of 252 million dollars . A time in which it delivered 27,307 units.
But it is clear that the dynamics of each are very different, with some Chinese groups that grow intensely thanks to their excellent quality/price ratio, and that improve substantially in each generation, with updates that even exceed two per generation. year , compared to the three or four years that passed in the traditional cycle.
Xiaomi is just the tip of the iceberg for Western and Japanese brands, which have to face increasingly numerous and competitive names, such as BYD, NIO, Xpeng, Li Auto, Changan, Chery...etc, and of course, Tesla.
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they all landed on his foot
Thorgalaeg
Deity
Beyond the pollution and climate change excuses for public consumption, there was not other reason for promoting electric cars but diminishing dependency on fossil fuels reaching some energetic sovereignty. It seems now electric cars will mean an even stronger dependency on Chinese cars and batteries. So since we are still on time i would discard the whole concept and center on other possibilities.
EnglishEdward
Deity
I'd dare to say that Ford's only chance of meaningful survival is to have a
protectionist POTUS who regards China as a greater threat than Russia.
protectionist POTUS who regards China as a greater threat than Russia.
An interesting point this youtube makes about electric cars: They can be used as energy storage for the home and/or the grid. He reckons you can make about €1k per week.MWh. You can already get a Vehicle to Grid tariff in the UK, though it pays a tiny fraction of that.
Narz
keeping it real
If I could afford one of those I'd never buy a normie car again.They don't sell electric cars because they don't understand the new generations
No venden coches eléctricos porqué no entienden a las nuevas generaciones | forococheselectricos
Los medios europeos acusan a las propuestas chinas de hacer trucos de marketing al ofrecer equipamientos novedosos e imaginativos que permiten otorgar al coche nuevas y emocionantes funcionalidades. Algo que denota los problemas de desconexión de los grupos tradicionales con las nuevas generaciones.forococheselectricos.com
I think I can understand the allure of a car which can turn into a mini living room to hang out with your friends when you may be living in a Mega-City One akin apartment building housing thousands of people.
Back in my day if you slept in your car the cops would harass you, now it's luxe, I'm for it.
Ordnael
Emperor
Ordnael
Emperor
Remote-driven cars to compete with Uber. This company already has them
Carros teleconduzidos para competir com a Uber. Esta empresa já os tem
A Vay já está a operar testes públicos em Las Vegas, nos EUA, e já realizou mais de 5 mil viagens, sem qualquer tipo de incidente.
www.razaoautomovel.com
Imagine that with a simple click, you can open an app and call a car, which comes to you without a driver behind the wheel. This is how Berlin-based startup Vay wants to go to war with Uber: with remote-driving cars.
Vay's first remote-driven cars are already on the road, namely in Las Vegas (USA), where they already provide individual transport services.
That's right: remote controlled
To be clear, this is not about autonomous driving, but about teledriving. There is a remote operator remotely driving the car to you. After an initial greeting, the operator hands over control of the vehicle to you and the customer takes over driving the car.
When you reach your destination, the operator takes full control of the vehicle again and continues on to the next request. If necessary, you can even ask to park for you, for example.
All this while this teledriver — a remote driver — is sitting at a command post, controlling everything through commands that even have many similarities to driving simulators, as can be seen in this image:
[/URL] © LoanIn this service, effective control of the car is always in the human domain.
Unlike companies like Uber or Waymo , Vay's proposal is not based on a traditional car-sharing service or a robo-taxi proposal. This startup , which has already raised around 110 million euros in investment, defines itself as a mobility service with teleconductors.
More than 5000 trips made
Thomas von der Ohe, co-founder and CEO of Vay, will be the keynote speaker at the conference “ The software powering driverless tech & autonomous cars ” at Web Summit 2024 , which will be moderated by Diogo Teixeira , publisher of Razão Automóvel. You can watch the conference here .
During this visit to Portugal, von der Ohe confessed to us that his company has already carried out “more than 5000 trips with teleconductors, without any type of incident”. A statement that he made a point of accompanying with a smile and three knocks on the wooden table.
[/URL] © LoanOne of the Kia Niro EVs in service with Vay in Las Vegas.
“We are the next generation of car rental and car sharing ,” said von der Ohe, after confirming to us that Vay is already authorized to test the technology in a region of Hamburg, in northern Germany, and that it is already operating a kind of “ public beta ” on the main streets of Las Vegas.
If the tests permitted in Germany do not yet include a public service, the authorization received for Las Vegas allows Vay to operate without major restrictions. The scale is not, at this stage, very large: the company currently has 16 cars operating in Las Vegas, all KIA Niro EV , the result of a partnership with the South Korean manufacturer.
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Vay has also partnered with Peugeot to use E-308 models in the future. In theory, all electric cars equipped with advanced driver assistance systems (ADAS) could be converted to allow this type of use.
And the price?
Here too, Thomas von der Ohe's vision is quite optimistic: “we achieve lower operating costs because teledrivers only drive for brief moments”, unlike what happens with other types of more conventional offers, where drivers are permanently « connected ».
rice of Uber. Guaranteed". Could this be the next revolution in individual public transport?
This is a very interesting take on this segment. Has a pathway to be cheaper than Uber and the like. I wonder how legislators like see the remote driving.Remote-driven cars to compete with Uber. This company already has them
Carros teleconduzidos para competir com a Uber. Esta empresa já os tem
A Vay já está a operar testes públicos em Las Vegas, nos EUA, e já realizou mais de 5 mil viagens, sem qualquer tipo de incidente.
Even as an addition to the normal car sharing service, this would be nice. Rather than have to go and pick up my carpool car, it could drive to me.
