Elimination Game Thread - Which Civs Need a Second Leader?

[Guandao]

Chinese (27+1)=28 Qin Shi Huang was a safe choice for a Chinese leader (I find his wonder agenda annoying and unrealistic, but whatever), but another one (lesser known to Westerners, yet still important) could be great
Egyptians 34
English 12
French 28
Germans (1-3)=0 Eliminated, I'm fine with Frederick Barbarossa at the moment.
Indians 37

 

[Guatenadian]

Chinese 29 (28+1) I think the final 3 Civs here should be the Egyptians, Chinese and Indians, they are some of Earth's oldest civilisations.
Egyptians 34
English 12
French 25 (28-3) France is a bit too high for my liking.
Indians 37

 

[Hammurabbit]

Chinese 29
Egyptians 35 = 34 +1 , There are so many rulers to choose from- why not bring all the Ramses in in one dlc, there are at least 8 of them? I want to see Ramses only battles!
English 9 = 12-3, ok let's get rid of England for now, although I'd like to see some Plantagenet ruler at some point
French 25
Indians 37

 

[Siptah]

Egyptians 35 = 34 +1 , There are so many rulers to choose from- why not bring all the Ramses in in one dlc, there are at least 8 of them? I want to see Ramses only battles!

There were eleven of them. But historically, only the 2nd and 3rd stand out and are a good idea to add. The first one was a famous general, but died shortly after becoming Pharaoh. He didn't leave much footprints in history as a ruler. The only thing the others are remembered for are their tombs, often called tomb palaces (and that of V/VI is really an outstanding accomplishment).

 

[Xandinho]

Chinese 29
Egyptians 35
English 9 - 3 = 6 Less priority on the list to receive a second leader
French 25
Indians 37 + 1 = 38 The highest priority on the list to receive a second leader.

 

[IgorS]

Chinese 29 - 3 = 26 - The lowest priority among those left
Egyptians 35
English 6 + 1 = 7 We need an actual English leader, from before the union with Scotland
French 25
Indians 38

 

[Kimiimaro]

Chinese 26
Egyptians 35+1=36 - It has really long history, and yet Firaxis chose the Pharaoh that lost the Empire to Romans. A more succesful leader won't hurt.
English 7-3=4 - Isn't such big priority compared to the others here.
French 25
Indians 38

 

[Siptah]

Chinese 23 (26-3) I'm a bit torn, because I think they all 'deserve' a second leader historically. However, I'm not unhappy with China's design and abilities - something I can't say for the others (except England which is already low in score)
Egyptians 37 (36+1) my go to civ for the first game in every game they are included. But in civ VI, it doesn't belong to the most fun civs to play as for me. Maybe a new leader with cool active abilities would change that. Since they are underpowered, I also have some hopes that the civ bonus will get changed/buffed in an expansion - or when a new leader arrives.
English 4
French 25
Indians 38

 

[Guatenadian]

Chinese 24 (23+1) I have to support the Chinese as I've said, historically they are incredibly important.
Egyptians 37
English 4
French 22 (25-3) I know I must sound like a broken record, but to be frank I'm actually happy with Catherine, that said it wouldn't hurt to get a new leader just not before the rest of these.
Indians 38

 

[Kouvb593kdnuewnd]

Chinese 25 (24+1) Important civilization no matter what era you choose unlike most other.
Egyptians 37
English 4
French 19 (22-3) First of there is no need for more eurocentrism and secondly French is less important than civs such as India and Chinese.
Indians 38

 

[Xandinho]

Chinese 25
Egyptians 37
English 4 - 3 = 1 Not as high priority as others on the list
French 19
Indians 38 + 1 = 39 As I've said before, India has a very long history, and a vast amount of leaders to choose from.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Chinese 25
Egyptians 37
English 1-3=-2 (ELIMINATED) - A lesser priority compared to other Civs here.
French 19
Indians 39+1=40 - Back in the 40 club!

 

[IgorS]

Chinese 25 - 3 = 22 - This is not about the history or the abundance of leaders, this is about necessity, China has an OK leader, while the other three civs don't
Egyptians 37
French 19 + 1 = 20 - Qin Shi Huang is a worthier choice than Catherine de' Medici
Indians 40

 

[Guandao]

Chinese (22-3)=19 Fourth place is good enough for them. Qin Shi Huang is a fine leader choice for the moment, despite his vain search for immortality, his forced suicide of his oldest son, and the fact his dynasty didn't outlast him for very long.
Egyptians 37
French (20+1)=21 I don't think de Medici represents historical French leaders well enough.
Indians 40

 

[Morningcalm]

Chinese 19 + 1 = 20 (I respectfully disagree that China's current leader choice is sufficient. Qin Shi Huang doesn't represent scientific progress in Chinese history very well; leaders like Kangxi who had to grapple with foreign powers show that aspect of Chinese culture much better, and would pair nicely with China's boosted Eurekas ability)
Egyptians 37
French 21 - 3 = 18 (I think fourth place is a good finish for this European nation. We already have plenty of secondary leaders for Europe (and yes, I am counting Alexander as a secondary leader of Greece. I think the other nations, by virtue of their incredibly ancient history and numerous historical dynastic shifts, deserve a secondary leader more at this time.))
Indians 40

 

[Guatenadian]

Chinese 21 (20+1) I agree with @Morningcalm, China needs another leader instead of Qin Shi Huang.
Egyptians 37
French 15 (18-3) If we do get another second leader it should be from a continent other than Europe as the Greeks already have another leader.
Indians 40

 

[Siptah]

Chinese 18 (21-3) I think with bonuses towards culture, science, wonder building, infrastructure and an improvement that yields gold and tourism, China is well done in the game. Adding a science or cultural leader would just create balance issues or would end up like the Russian Peter with a weak ability.
Egyptians 37
French 16 (15+1) Not that I think it can outlast China. It's a fun and interesting civ to play, but I think it's still to weak and a new leader could help.
Indians 40

 

[Xandinho]

Chinese 18 - 3 = 15
Egyptians 37
French 16 + 1 = 17
Indians 40

Honestly speaking, Catherine de Medici is not as good as Qin Shi Huang, so I think France needs a second leader more than China right now.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Chinese 15-3=12 - China deserves a second leader, but Qin Shi Huang as the first emperor of unified China wasn't actually a very bad choice. He can represent China quite nicely...
Egyptians 37
French 17+1=18 - ...compared to France led by a woman that wasn't even French, but Italian.
Indians 40

 

[conorbebe]

Chinese 9 (12 - 3) I don't think Qin Shi Huang is a bad choice at all.
Egyptians 37
French 19 (18 + 1) Catherine most definitely was however.
Indians 40