Elimination Thread-Returning Civ 5 Leaders

[Morningcalm]

Ahmad al-Mansur 19
Ashurbanipal 24
Askia 21
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 15
Boudicca 5
Casimir III 20
Catherine 21
Darius I 15
Elizabeth 21
Enrico Dandolo 23
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 26
Gustavus Adolphus 23
Haile Selassie 14
Harun al-Rashid 21
Hiawatha 5
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 22
Napoleon 23
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Oda Nobunaga 5
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 16 + 1 = 17 (Earth-shaker, capable administrator, basically the most revered Inca leader ever. Sorry, but he's like Genghis Khan--can't imagine someone else taking his place. The other Inca leaders were generally competent, but nowhere near as iconic.)
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 18
Sejong 23
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora 11
Washington 14 - 3 = 11 (Meh. What bonuses would he have? Wounded troops have more attack? What would he look like and who would he be voiced by? Civ hasn't done him justice ever, even in Civ IV, though at least in IV he looked vaguely like the historical Washington. Also, he was a slave-owner, town-destroyer, and had trouble keeping his cabinet together, even if he was undoubtedly noble in giving up the presidency after two terms.)
William 23

 

[Roman Citizen]

Ahmad al-Mansur 19
Ashurbanipal 24
Askia 21
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 15
Boudicca 5
Casimir III 20
Catherine 21
Darius I 15
Elizabeth 21
Enrico Dandolo 23
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 26+1=27 What is a civ game without the ultimate conqueror?
Gustavus Adolphus 23
Haile Selassie 14
Harun al-Rashid 21
Hiawatha 5-3=2 If the Iroquois are to return, then I would want to see them lead by someone new like Joseph Brant or Chief Canaqueese.
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 22
Napoleon 23
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Oda Nobunaga 5
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 18
Sejong 23
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora 11
Washington 11
William 23

 

[God of Kings]

Ahmad al-Mansur 19
Ashurbanipal 24
Askia 21
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 15
Boudicca 5
Casimir III 20
Catherine 21
Darius I 15
Elizabeth 21
Enrico Dandolo 23
Gajah Mada 21 + 1 = 22 It's a given
Genghis Khan 27
Gustavus Adolphus 23
Haile Selassie 14
Harun al-Rashid 21
Hiawatha 2 - 3 = ELIMINATED I agree with Roman Citizen on this (I prefer Joseph Brant)
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 22
Napoleon 23
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Oda Nobunaga 5
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 18
Sejong 23
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora 11
Washington 11
William 23

 

[Roman Citizen]

Ahmad al-Mansur 19
Ashurbanipal 24+1=25 He is the one leader I look forward to the most in seeing a possible return, he would fit just right in.
Askia 21
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 15
Boudicca 5
Casimir III 20
Catherine 21
Darius I 15
Elizabeth 21
Enrico Dandolo 23
Gajah Mada 22
Genghis Khan 27
Gustavus Adolphus 23
Haile Selassie 14
Harun al-Rashid 21
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 22
Napoleon 23
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Oda Nobunaga 5
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 17-3=14 I would rather see someone new like Topa Inca Yupanqui or even Atahualpa.
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 18
Sejong 23
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora 11
Washington 11
William 23

 

[Morningcalm]

Ahmad al-Mansur 19
Ashurbanipal 25
Askia 21
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 15
Boudicca 5
Casimir III 20
Catherine 21
Darius I 15
Elizabeth 21
Enrico Dandolo 23
Gajah Mada 22
Genghis Khan 27
Gustavus Adolphus 23
Haile Selassie 14
Harun al-Rashid 21
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 22
Napoleon 23
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Oda Nobunaga 5
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 14 + 1 = 15 (Neither Topa Inca Yupanqui or Atahualpa were nearly as glorious as Pachacuti, and what would their agendas be in the game anyway? Pachacuti has the catchy "Earth-Shaker" title at least. I guess Atahualpa's agenda could refer to his ignominious defeat and ransom by the Spanish, or perhaps his wartime atrocities? He's "new" for a reason. And that reason is that he was not a successful ruler, except in killing other pretenders to a throne that was later essentially occupied by the Spanish through Atahualpa anyway.)
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 18
Sejong 23
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora 11
Washington 11
William 23 - 3 = 20 (While a great Dutch leader, I don't think he's as storied as some of the others here--heck, he's known as "William the Silent", and frankly Dutch inclusion in Civ is a foregone conclusion. The Dutch, while interesting enough, aren't as novel as other civs either.)

 

[IgorS]

Ahmad al-Mansur 19
Ashurbanipal 25
Askia 21
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 15
Boudicca 5 - 3 = 2 - Wouldn't mind her leading a "Briton" civ, but I don't think Firaxis would think of that
Casimir III 20
Catherine 21
Darius I 15
Elizabeth 21
Enrico Dandolo 23
Gajah Mada 22
Genghis Khan 27
Gustavus Adolphus 23
Haile Selassie 14
Harun al-Rashid 21
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 22
Napoleon 23
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Oda Nobunaga 5
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 15 + 1 = 16 - I agree, sometimes, a civ just doesn't have any other ruler who's fit, so Pachacuti is a must for the Inca, alongside Huayna Capac as a possible second leader, if we have to
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 18
Sejong 23
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora 11
Washington 11
William 20

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ahmad al-Mansur 19
Ashurbanipal 25
Askia 21
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 15
Boudicca 2
Casimir III 20
Catherine 21
Darius I 15
Elizabeth 21
Enrico Dandolo 23
Gajah Mada 22
Genghis Khan 27
Gustavus Adolphus 23+1=24 - Military genius and a perfect choice for Swedish leader.
Haile Selassie 14
Harun al-Rashid 21
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 22
Napoleon 23
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Oda Nobunaga 5-3=2 - Japanese Civ doesn't need another leader with sword and combat bonus. I'm not even sure if it needs another leader at all. Who will give him the final strike?
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 16
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 18
Sejong 23
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora 11
Washington 11
William 20

 

[Manifold]

Ahmad al-Mansur 19
Ashurbanipal 25
Askia 21
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 15
Boudicca 2
Casimir III 20
Catherine 21
Darius I 15
Elizabeth 21
Enrico Dandolo 23
Gajah Mada 22
Genghis Khan 28 (27+1) the common winner
Gustavus Adolphus 24
Haile Selassie 14
Harun al-Rashid 21
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 22
Napoleon 23
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Oda Nobunaga 2
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 16
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 15 (18-3) I would like to see Vietnam this time
Sejong 23
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora 11
Washington 11
William 20

 

[Guandao]

Ahmad al-Mansur 19
Ashurbanipal 25
Askia 21
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 15
Boudicca (2-3)=0 No need for a Briton leader this time, time for a Gallic one
Casimir III 20
Catherine 21
Darius I 15
Elizabeth 21
Enrico Dandolo 23
Gajah Mada 22
Genghis Khan 28
Gustavus Adolphus 24
Haile Selassie 14
Harun al-Rashid 21
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 22
Napoleon 23
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Oda Nobunaga 2
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 16
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 15
Sejong 23
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora (11+1)=12 A decent choice for Byzantine leader.
Washington 11
William 20
Wu Zetian 18

 

[God of Kings]

Ahmad al-Mansur 19
Ashurbanipal 25
Askia 21
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 15
Casimir III 20
Catherine 21
Darius I 15
Elizabeth 21
Enrico Dandolo 23
Gajah Mada 22
Genghis Khan 28
Gustavus Adolphus 24
Haile Selassie 14
Harun al-Rashid 21
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 22
Napoleon 23
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Oda Nobunaga 2 - 3 = ELIMINATED Triforce > carrying three katana at once
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 16
Ramesses II 20 + 1 = 21 The real Ozymandias
Ramkhamhaeng 15
Sejong 23
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora 12
Washington 11
William 20
Wu Zetian 18

 

[IgorS]

Ahmad al-Mansur 19
Ashurbanipal 25
Askia 21
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 15
Casimir III 20
Catherine 21
Darius I 15
Elizabeth 21
Enrico Dandolo 23
Gajah Mada 22
Genghis Khan 28 - 3 = 25 - He's getting dangerously popular
Gustavus Adolphus 24
Haile Selassie 14
Harun al-Rashid 21
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 22
Napoleon 23
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 16
Ramesses II 21
Ramkhamhaeng 15
Sejong 23
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora 12
Washington 11 + 1 =12 - I still think he should be the number one choice for the American civ
William 20
Wu Zetian 18

 

[Roman Citizen]

Ahmad al-Mansur 19
Ashurbanipal 25
Askia 21
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 15
Casimir III 20
Catherine 21
Darius I 15
Elizabeth 21+1=22 She is a given.
Enrico Dandolo 23
Gajah Mada 22
Genghis Khan 25
Gustavus Adolphus 24
Haile Selassie 14
Harun al-Rashid 21
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 22
Napoleon 23
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 16
Ramesses II 21
Ramkhamhaeng 15-3=12 I prefer having Burma or the return of the Khmer this time.
Sejong 23
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora 12
Washington 12
William 20
Wu Zetian 18

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ahmad al-Mansur 19
Ashurbanipal 25
Askia 21
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 15
Casimir III 20
Catherine 21
Darius I 15-3=12 - Persia was just added, it doesn't need another leader right now. He was a great king, but he was also an Achaemenid. He is too close to Cyrus the Great in time. Sure, he'd probably had some economic UA and agenda, but I'd rather have someone else.
Elizabeth 22
Enrico Dandolo 23
Gajah Mada 22
Genghis Khan 25
Gustavus Adolphus 24
Haile Selassie 14
Harun al-Rashid 21
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 22
Napoleon 23
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 16
Ramesses II 21
Ramkhamhaeng 12+1=13 - Not so fast. He was a great king of Sukhothai/Siam, and I'd definitely welcome his return.
Sejong 23
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora 12
Washington 12
William 20
Wu Zetian 18

 

[Manifold]

Ahmad al-Mansur 19
Ashurbanipal 25
Askia 18 (21-3) too much points
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 15
Casimir III 20
Catherine 21
Darius I 12
Elizabeth 22
Enrico Dandolo 23
Gajah Mada 22
Genghis Khan 26 (25+1) much too less points
Gustavus Adolphus 24
Haile Selassie 14
Harun al-Rashid 21
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 22
Napoleon 23
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 16
Ramesses II 21
Ramkhamhaeng 13
Sejong 23
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora 12
Washington 12
William 20
Wu Zetian 18

 

[Guandao]

Ahmad al-Mansur 19
Ashurbanipal 25
Askia 18-3=15 Give us Mansa Musa this time, no need for an inaccurate portrayal of Askia in front of a flaming mosque
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 15
Casimir III 20
Catherine 21
Darius I 12
Elizabeth 22
Enrico Dandolo 23
Gajah Mada 22
Genghis Khan 26
Gustavus Adolphus 24
Haile Selassie 14
Harun al-Rashid 21
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 22
Napoleon 23
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 16
Ramesses II 21
Ramkhamhaeng 13
Sejong 23
Shaka (22+1)=23 The only worthy leader for the Zulus, no Shakala!
Suleiman 21
Theodora 12
Washington 12
William 20
Wu Zetian 18

 

[IgorS]

Ahmad al-Mansur 19
Ashurbanipal 25
Askia 15
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 15
Casimir III 20
Catherine 21
Darius I 12
Elizabeth 22
Enrico Dandolo 23
Gajah Mada 22
Genghis Khan 26 - 3 = 23 - Let's even it a bit, give everyone a chance
Gustavus Adolphus 24
Haile Selassie 14
Harun al-Rashid 21
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 22
Napoleon 23
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 16
Ramesses II 21
Ramkhamhaeng 13
Sejong 23
Shaka 23
Suleiman 21
Theodora 12
Washington 12 + 1 = 13 - Some more points to the first President
William 20
Wu Zetian 18

 

[yschwartz11111]

Ahmad al-Mansur 19
Ashurbanipal 25
Askia 15
Augustus Caesar 18 - 1 = 17 nothing personal just think that since they did Trajan they should do someone like Marcus Aurelius
Bismarck 15
Casimir III 20
Catherine 21
Darius I 12
Elizabeth 22
Enrico Dandolo 23
Gajah Mada 22
Genghis Khan 23
Gustavus Adolphus 24
Haile Selassie 14
Harun al-Rashid 21
Isabella 20 - 3 = 17 infinitely better leaders for Spain out there also overused
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 22
Napoleon 23
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 16
Ramesses II 21
Ramkhamhaeng 13 -2 = 11 I'd rather the Khmer or Burmans and besides Naresuan is a better leader not based on myth.
Sejong 23
Shaka 23
Suleiman 21
Theodora 12 - 2 = 11 She was actually a demon read Procopius
Washington13
William 20
Wu Zetian 18

 

[Kimiimaro]

Skipping yschwartz11111's vote for obvious reason.

Ahmad al-Mansur 19
Ashurbanipal 25
Askia 15
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 15+1=16 - I said that I'll downvote him for being another military leader for Germany, but I changed my opinion. He would be perfect industrial or scientific leader for Germany. Also, I can easily imagine names for his UA and Agenda: The Iron Chancellor and Blood and Iron.
Casimir III 20
Catherine 21
Darius I 12
Elizabeth 22
Enrico Dandolo 23
Gajah Mada 22
Genghis Khan 23
Gustavus Adolphus 24
Haile Selassie 14
Harun al-Rashid 21
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 22-3=19 - Perfect choice to lead Austria, but her addition would mean no separate Bohemian Civ for me again
Napoleon 23
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 16
Ramesses II 21
Ramkhamhaeng 13
Sejong 23
Shaka 23
Suleiman 21
Theodora 12
Washington 13
William 20
Wu Zetian 18

 

[Guandao]

Good call, Kimiimaro. It would be wise to not include that poster (yschwartz11111)'s votes. Did they even read the rules?

Ahmad al-Mansur 19
Ashurbanipal 25
Askia 15
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 16
Casimir III 20
Catherine 21
Darius I (12-3)=9 Since Persia already has an Achaemenid leader in Civ6, Darius is low priority for me. If Persia gets a second leader, I hope it's a Sassanid or even Safavid.
Elizabeth 22
Enrico Dandolo 23
Gajah Mada 22
Genghis Khan 23
Gustavus Adolphus 24
Haile Selassie 14
Harun al-Rashid 21
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 19
Napoleon 23
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 16
Ramesses II 21
Ramkhamhaeng 13
Sejong 23
Shaka 23
Suleiman 21
Theodora 12
Washington 13
William 20
Wu Zetian (18+1)=19 I think a second female leader for China would be ok, especially if Korea doesn't get a female leader for Civ6. People in general would struggle to identify the second Chinese leader if it's a male emperor, and especially if it's not Mao (don't want him to return ever!).

 

[Manifold]

Ahmad al-Mansur 19
Ashurbanipal 25
Askia 15
Augustus Caesar 18
Bismarck 16
Casimir III 17 (20-3) this place is reserved by the savior of Christendom = John III Sobieski
Catherine 21
Darius I 9
Elizabeth 22
Enrico Dandolo 23
Gajah Mada 22
Genghis Khan 24 (23+1) most needed
Gustavus Adolphus 24
Haile Selassie 14
Harun al-Rashid 21
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 19
Napoleon 23
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 16
Ramesses II 21
Ramkhamhaeng 13
Sejong 23
Shaka 23
Suleiman 21
Theodora 12
Washington 13
William 20
Wu Zetian 19