End of Empires - N3S III

OOC: You know, it seems to me that Cairl gets remarkably short shrift in the western cradle. I mean, he was basically Alexander and Caesar rolled into one, except more successful than either - the shadow of his legacy ought to darken the west like nobody's business, but nobody ever really mentions him. No, it's Aya'se and Gaci and Arastephas who everybody remembers. Hightower, the Trahanan word for emperor ought to be derived from Cairl, at the very least.

And no, that suggestion's not motivated solely by a desire to find an alternative to Ayasi and its attendant Seshweay cultural imperialism :p
 
OOC: The term 'Ayasi' isn't really cultural imperialism, it's cultural appropriation.

OOC: I'd argue that the best way to divide the difference between 'cultural imperialism' and 'cutural appropriation' is the extent to which the changes are forced on a culture. 'Cultural imperialism' by this definition can be a good thing, of course.

Having no idea what actually happened, however, I can't judge which it is in this case.
 
OOC: You know, it seems to me that Cairl gets remarkably short shrift in the western cradle. I mean, he was basically Alexander and Caesar rolled into one, except more successful than either - the shadow of his legacy ought to darken the west like nobody's business, but nobody ever really mentions him. No, it's Aya'se and Gaci and Arastephas who everybody remembers. Hightower, the Trahanan word for emperor ought to be derived from Cairl, at the very least.

And no, that suggestion's not motivated solely by a desire to find an alternative to Ayasi and its attendant Seshweay cultural imperialism :p

He wasn't the first. The Tollanaugh Empire did the conquer-everything schtick first, and their first emperor ruled quite effectively--they just fell apart after 100 years instead of 400, and before anyone to the east knew they existed. Also, there have been so many Dulama Emperors named Cairl that the name is rather tainted by the later incompetents (the last emperor having been Cairl XX, who was killed rather ignominously on the field of battle).

I think you'd need a Roman-like tradition of carrying a ton of honorary titles in order for the name of a major historical figure to continue on like that. And plenty of major ruling figures elsewhere in the world who accomplished vast feats of conquest, like Ashoka Maurya or Qin Shi Huang, did not get their names etched into future titles (well, Qin Shi Huang's regnal name was a title, but that's neither here nor there).

Plus, western culture, especially exemplified by Machaianism but also by the traditional Dulama religion and similar sacrificial practices in the pre-Machaianist west, is very group-focused and self-conscious about individual glorification. It's the exact opposite of Rome and other Mediterranean cultures' preference for deifying their rulers.

And there were emperors before Cairl, for a thousand years, in the Amure Empire, so the term pre-dates the Dulama.
 
OOC: Aya'se wasn't his name.
 
OOC: Speaking of OOC tags, we've about a week till orders are due. Try to get them in; it will be quite difficult for me to push the update back past that weekend (my desktop with its ginormous EoE folder + attendant programs is not going back to Michigan with me). :)
 
I'd also be remiss if I didn't note and thank Hightower and Terrance for extensive work on the wiki in recent weeks. It's been really nice to see other people adding to it, especially with so many gaps that it's hard for me to fill them as fast as they open up (each new update usually brings a bunch of articles to fill out).
 
To: the Faruveda ea Caroha, the Halarai Empire, the City of Caon
From: the Exarch Eres, in the name of the Red Chamber and the People of the Republic


The Emperor Qasaarai lies dead, the Savirai depart, and the legacy of their rule has been cast down. Yet why then does the specter of violence still trouble the people of Astria? Why has the writ of their Lord come unto the Red Chamber, begging that the course of war be averted?

The Daharai have heard of the treaty that was made between the Faruveda and the Halarai, and we have heard that therein did these powers declare to one another an allowance to the people of Astria, that they should be a free country, and that they should determine their own rule. The Daharai do not care what faith these people should hold within their hearts, so long as they are Righteous, and so long as their troubles do not become the troubles of their neighbours.

If there is doubt that this Lord, Melera, should bear the authority of Astriens Exarchai, and if this doubt should threaten war between the Halarai and the Faruveda, then in the name of peace some among the Daharai shall come to the City of Caon. They would hear Melera's acclamation by the people, and they would hear his confirmation by the Chamber. If this should be satisfied, and if the Astrians would style themselves Republic, then a compact must be made between their cities. Summon representatives from the cities of Nali and Tadon, and have them willfully affix seal to compact, and so bind Astria together.

The Red Chamber desires not that the wars of foreign places visit themselves upon Astria. We would prevail upon the Faruveda and the Halarai to absent their quarrel from this land, and to afford unto it deserved peace.
The Farubaida o Caroha wishes to see a stable and independent state, representative of the people of Astria, established in these lands. This has been our understanding of the Treaty of Reppaba from the beginning. As such, the Farubaida welcomes Daharai involvement in this matter, to see that the mutual understandings, established in the aforementioned treaty between Gallat and Caroha, are realized.

From: Caon
To: Caroha, the Daharai, the northerners


Forgive the history lesson, but Astria has always been a state uniquely well suited for just such a model of government, as our strong tradition of independent cities and citizen soldiers has proven. We are a people who were republican before there were republics, and for whom the style of Republic bound in sealed compacts would be no foreign imposition, but a natural affirmation of our most ancient value systems.

We have no doubt that the free rulers of Nali will agree to just such a compact -- assuming they are allowed to pass through the siege lines unmolested -- and that a freely acclaimed representative from the enchained city of Tadon would do the same.
The Farubaida o Caroha shall work to ensure that the people of Astria shall have the final word on the realization of their state. It is our hope that our forthcoming proposal is amenable to not just you, but to all of your people.

From: Talephas, Redeemer of Man
To: Shevanah, Rosh of the Javani Roshate, Sennar, Prince of Astria


Consider yourselves both confirmed in your positions. Exatas.

From: Talephas, Redeemer of Man
To: The Fivefold Council of Kargan


Having investigated this matter further following the ascent of the Halyr Javan, I have come to a greater understanding of events in my dominions across the sea. We must resolve this now, so that we can turn our attention back to the greater Crisis in the South.

Having seen fit to examine the dispute, I will offer you this proposal. That the Lord Exarch of Caon may remain in his position, provided that he submit and kneel to Sennar, the rightful Prince of Astria. And that while *further* Aitahist proselytizing in Astria will be banned, in recognition of Astria's status as a Maninist nation, those few Astrians who follow that goddess will not be forcibly converted or otherwise threatened, providing that they too remain loyal to Sennar.
It is not the understanding of the Farubaida that Astria is an exclusively Maninist nation. It is a nation which is predominately Maninist, with Aitahist and Indagahori elements as well. We believe that it would be best if Astria recognizes the right of its people to worship freely, and that limiting the actions of particular faiths works counter to this aim. With that said, this is only the view of the Farubaida. It is the future government of Astria that shall determine how to best govern itself.

Furthermore, considering the matter of the Maninists under Shevanah who wish to be independent, I believe it will not harm the Kargani to allow this small slice of territory to secede from your telkathai.
We have met and spoken at length with Shevaneh, and have come to an understanding. His people desire not a seat at the Senate in Reppaba, but just a tract of land in which they may govern themselves. As such, we shall see to it that a Maninist state is established in the eastern Peko basin.

*****

A Resolution to the Astrian Matter

We propose that wise and learned members of the Daharai Order travel to Astria, and oversee the acclamation of three representative delegations from the three great cities of the land, to represent the wills of their populaces. Delegations from each of the cities shall meet in Caon to establish a constitution for their nation, respecting the spirit of the Treaty of Reppaba, namely the stipulation that [Astria] shall be a wholly independent state, and its government shall serve both Maninist and Aitahist alike, seeking to protect both and harm neither.

It is known to us that the Halyr Javan, in his final testament, selected Samnar to serve as a King. The delegations of the three cities shall choose to either accept or reject Samnar as a Hairai of Astria. Should he be rejected, a compromise candidate shall be selected, or the three delegations shall opt to establish an alternative means of governance, such as a Republic.

It is the hope of the Farubaida that this resolution is amenable to all, and suitably addresses the valid concerns of all parties concerned.

OOC: Who is Samnar? Is he a native Astrian? I can find no background on this person. Also, I think that Shevaneh's Roshate should probably have a different name than the Javani Roshate- the two things are distinct and different entities.
 
I Talephas see this compromise as a step forward, with a minor stipulation.

If some of the Astrians wish to acclaim Sennar as king, and others do not, and no compromise candidate can be found, the country could fall to civil war.

If Sennar is acceptable to your mediators, we propose he be declared king, but that the Astrian cities each be able to choose representatives to sit on his council, as their people have done ancestrally. We will not make a religious stipulation for this.
 
A Meeting by Moonlight

Perena, early RM 520

As a matter of course, Erlon Gilar maintained a number of clandestine residences in the various cities of Gallat, safe houses of a sort, to use when travelling on business and desiring to avoid social engagements. These were usually little more than rented rooms in the seedier parts of town, sparsely furnished, if at all, and uncomfortable, but over the course of his career, as his profile had ever so slightly grown, he had found them increasingly vital to the safe conduct of the Halyrate's business. Their existence was known only to a few, and their locations to even fewer, and Gilar took always great care to ensure that this remained so. So there was an understandable note of disappointment – though not of surprise – in his voice when, very late one cold night, he opened his door, walked into his darkened room and said without looking around, “Good evening, Aelis.”

“Good evening, Erlon,” came a cool voice from a corner. “You do favour gloomy accommodations. This doesn't suit you at all. Not at all what I expected. It can't be healthy for you.” A figure moved into the faint shaft of moonlight that was the room's only illumination, and revealed – of course – the form of Aelis Redas.

“No more than those suit you,” Gilar replied dryly – for Aelis had disguised herself, her hair covered in the eastern fashion and the rest of her swathed in a dull cloak. As disguises went, it was simple and effective – Gilar was mildly impressed despite himself. Amateurs usually overdid things, as Gilar himself had learned by painful experience. “What are you doing here, Aelis?”, he continued.

Aelis laughed her merry laugh. “So suspicious! Surely a girl doesn't need any particular reason to stop by her friend's for a chat.”

Gilar sighed and slumped into the room's sole chair. “We're not friends, Aelis.”

“Oh, you can be so cruel, Erlon. What are we, then, if not friends? We're hardly enemies, and we're certainly not strangers.” Aelis struck a pose of exaggerated thought for a moment before exclaiming, “Why, perhaps we're lovers!” She sat on the bed and caressed the sheets for a moment. “That must be it. I mean, we are here alone in your bedroom together in the middle of the night.” She sprang up again laughing, “Imagine the scandal if we were found out. The Houses would speak of nothing else for months.”

Gilar remained unamused. “We are professional acquaintances who have temporarily and unavoidably crossed paths, nothing more. Now, though you know how entrancing I find your company, it's late, and I'm tired, and I know you have a hard time understanding this, Aelis, but we creatures of flesh and blood do occasionally need to sleep, so all things considered I'd rather we skip the games. Why are you here?”

“And here I thought you enjoyed our games. If you don't want to play anymore, I don't know what I'll do. Life will be so boring.” She paused for a moment in contemplation. “I suppose I could come here one night and kill you in your sleep,” she said matter-of-factly. “That would provide a moment's diversion.”

Gilar barked a laugh now. “So much for friends!”

“Friends are honest with each other, Erlon. I could do that, just as you could right now take that knife on your belt, jump across the room and...” she drew a finger across her throat and grinned. “But I won't and you won't, because we don't want to harm each other, because we're friends. See, I told you so.”

“I am seriously considering it if you don't tell me why you're here,” Gilar sighed.

“I told you: to talk. You must have noticed that there's no one else in this blasted city worth talking to.”

“All right then, let's talk. Get it over with. But you didn't come to aimlessly chat, because you don't do anything without an aim, as I know perfectly well. Can I assume this is about the news from the south?”

“Well, since you've brought it up. The city is speaking of nothing else, after all.” She hesitated for a moment. “News, you say? Not rumours. So, it's definitely true, then? Javan and Nuvor are dead?”

“Gone, Aelis. The news says gone. And yes, it's true. The Faith got confirmation three days ago and military courier arrived this morning – don't ask me why the Faith has better intelligence than the government. Javan, Araldi, the High Ward, even Gabas: all gone.”

“Oh, but we all know what 'gone' means, don't we? Gone: Nahari for stabbed in the dark and the bodies dumped into the sea. It was a mistake to go south.” Aelis paused for a moment, then continued, “Wait, you aren't going to tell me you're one of those people who believes they've abandoned us for being sinful, or gone off to fight demons, are you?” Aelis chuckled quietly. “Why, a Satar told me this morning that Javan had gone into heaven to chase the Red Goddess, since there were no worthy Aitahists left to fight in the world. I know you respected him – we all have our flaws. But you know he was just a man. And men die.”

“Just a man, as you say.” Gilar sighed heavily. “You never met him, did you? Just a man, heh. You would not say that if you had.”

Aelis tutted her disapprobation. “Oh come, Erlon. We believe what we know, you and I, what we see. Leave the myth making to the rest of them.”

“What I see is precisely the point. I know him. Knew him, I suppose I should say. Not well, not like Araldi, but well enough. He's the one who saved me when I was a boy, did you know that? Pulled me out of the smoldering ruins of my parents' house in Selessan, three days after the Savirai burnt it down. I didn't know who he was then, of course, but I remember he seemed to be shining when I first saw him – like sunlight through a curtain, as though his flesh couldn't quite contain it all. I never forgot that. And the last time I saw him was in Sirasona, right before he left. He told me...” His voice trailed off as Gilar lost himself in memory, before continuing “Well, never mind what, exactly. But now that I think on it, he knew he wasn't coming back. I think he never intended to.” Gilar lapsed back into silent reverie for a moment, then shook himself out of it. “Anyway, I don't know if he was a Haradyr or a spirit or a demon, but I know that he wasn't just anything, and I'll believe Altaro Javan's dead when I've seen his cold body myself, and not before. But he is gone, that's clear. And with him went all his obvious replacements.”

“Are we in for some grand funeral games to decide the successor, then?”

Gilar smiled at the thought. “Heh, maybe we should do it that way. It's one way to be sure you wouldn't win.” He paused for a moment, as if unsure whether to proceed, then said slowly, “The news says that Javan designated a successor for Gallat just before he left. Nuvor. Not Araldi. Cousin Nuvor.”

Flatly “The boy.”

“Aelis,” Gilar chided, “he's older than either of us and seen more than both. He's hardly a boy.”

Aelis scoffed. “Ah, you forget: him I have met. And so I know that Caron Nuvor could live a thousand years and see a thousand worlds and still be a boy. It makes him a good soldier, but he'll be a terrible politician.”

“He suffers from too much sentiment, would you say?”

“Precisely!” Aelis announced triumphantly, before suddenly turning deathly serious. “Erlon, I never understood your attachment to Javan and Araldi, but now that they're dea- apologies, gone,” she corrected herself with small smile, “it's not holding you any more. You don't owe them any more.”

“There's still a Lord Nuvor. There's still a Gallat. It was never just about them.”

“It was a little about them. Just because they're gone doesn't mean you have to trust their successors to know what you should do. You're better than that. You could judge for yourself. You could do what you like.” Aelis hesitated for a heartbeat. “We could do it together.” She studied Gilar's face intently, waiting for a response.

Gilar snorted. “Be serious, Aelis.”

“I am!” she protested, as just for an instant disappointment flashed across her face. “Caron isn't made for this: the Houses will eat him alive. You know that. You shouldn't waste yourself on him.”

“So that's why you came here tonight. I'm a little disappointed, honestly. Doesn't feel like you, Aelis. Feels almost sentimental.” Gilar continued, resignedly, “But you are right about Caron. But the Houses? No, you mean House Redas, don't you? And that sounds to me like all the more reason to stay with Lord Nuvor – he'll need the help. And we've all seen what happens when the Houses run things. I told you: I can't stand aside and let that happen again.”

“They were stupid. We're not.” Gilar shook his head firmly, and Aelis sighed sadly. “Oh, my poor loyal hound. There's just no dealing with you when you get all self-righteous like this. Perhaps you're right, and I was foolish to try. Thank you for the conversation. I'll let you sleep.” She walked past the seated Gilar to the door.

“Aelis,” he called, and she turned expectantly.“I know about the shipment. I know why you want it. You shouldn't have taken the risk.”

“I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about. But if you were referring to a certain illicit shipment transported from Atracta this week by a certain Accan galley: well, I wouldn't know anything about it, and couldn't possibly comment on the motivations of those responsible.” Aelis was smiling again.

“No, of course not. Silly me. Then of course neither will you have any comment on the fact that right now said shipment is being seized and the smugglers arrested. It's a pity they won't know who hired them when we ask, but then we all have bad luck sometimes.” Gilar shook his head ruefully.

Aelis gave a delighted laugh. “Every time I start to wonder about you you go and do something interesting. I knew you enjoyed our games really. Don't pretend otherwise.” She paused one last time at the door and said, suddenly very quiet and with an oddly tender note in her voice, “Erlon, you've given them half your life already. Don't let them take the rest. They don't deserve it.” And she walked outside and closed the door behind her.

Gilar didn't sleep after that. Instead, he sat in thought in the dark room for a long time, before suddenly rising and striding purposefully outside.
 
I Talephas see this compromise as a step forward, with a minor stipulation.

If some of the Astrians wish to acclaim Sennar as king, and others do not, and no compromise candidate can be found, the country could fall to civil war.

If Sennar is acceptable to your mediators, we propose he be declared king, but that the Astrian cities each be able to choose representatives to sit on his council, as their people have done ancestrally. We will not make a religious stipulation for this.

This seems reasonable to the Farubaida. Is it reasonable to our friends in the Cities of Astria?
 
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