In order for us to tackle our global problems like global warming, global inequality and tax evasion we need more international co-operation and bodies that can enforce the decisions made to counter these problems. The EU is a step in the right direction. Now that's not to say that there aren't any problems in the EU, but it's better than the alternative. Also a divided Europe is an open invitation for the US and Russia to divide & conquer.
Eu now voted to outlaw posting of any copyrighted material, including articles and even memes.
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It really has the full package:
* Obligatory EUSSR hyperbole
* This vote was about copyright rules. Copyright in general "is completely opposed to the concept of free speech". Still, all of the civilized world manages to have copyright rules without a complete lack of free speech.
* You say this is typical of the EU. Copyright laws and jurisprudence in the US aren't much better than in the EU (I'd say they are worse).
* You treat the European Parliament, that is considering these rules, as some weirdo conspiracy institute completely detached from the Nations and the People. The European Parliament is an elected body. If there's a majority in the EP for regulations that you consider bad, there would presumably also be majorities for those regulations in (at least some of) the individual member states. So your rooting for the destruction of the EU would not even solve this problem, it would just shift it to another government layer. In fact, I believe Spain has already made similar rules.
If you ignore 1400 years of intermittent warfare and two devastating world wars, yeah, we all got along just fine.
Broken_Erika
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Europe must be freed from the Tyrannical Domination of the Evil Unicorns!
The EU may be a step in the right direction just like existence of any other tool may be. The problem is that any tool can be missused and so can be the EU. Our supranational politics together with the bureaucrats in Brusels are creating a class quite detached from the EU commoners impotent to present any solution to problem you mention except by authoritative direction and while disregarding the will of the EU citizens.
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1) there shouldn't be a worry for a large euro war when nukes still work (no functional anti-nuke measures)
2) if nukes stop working, the eu won't save the continent from war. Nothing will.
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This is an aside, I just want to play devil's advocate and say that those wars did shake things up and when the dust settled sometimes there was change for the better.
Have you ever thought about what it may take to avoid war entirely? Hint: think Huxley-type dystopia, not Orwell.
No. If a problem can't be solved through normal diplomacy that doesn't violate the concept of national sovereignty, then I guess the problem just doesn't get solved. Or we go to war over it, since war is just diplomacy by other means, right?
That's a matter of perspective.
Well, I'm an American (with some imperialist tendencies too) so it's going to be hard to convince me that weakening Europe for the US's benefit is a bad thing.
For the record, I wasn't saying the EU is like the USSR. I was just saying the EU is going to end up collapsing and will just be something we read about in history books like the USSR.
Oh, come now. You folks over there have been warring against each other for a lot longer than a mere 1400 years. Even Julius Caesar took a crack at conquering Britain.
Traitorfish
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We've spend the last three hundred years merrily annihilating hundreds of regional cultures in favour of "unified British culture", "unified German culture", and so on. The pan-European project has not been unsuccessful because nation-building projects are utopian, but because they are necessarily projects embarked upon by authoritative centralised states.
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The "pan-European project" is not unsuccessful, it's just hit a temporary and relative low-point which we will have to overcome.
And just because the usual suspects keep messing about how "the EU" -- as if the European Union is not exactly us Europeans!? -- will destroy our culture, doesn't make it even remotely true!
And just because the usual suspects keep messing about how "the EU" -- as if the European Union is not exactly us Europeans!? -- will destroy our culture, doesn't make it even remotely true!
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Who would have thunk the EU has enemies?
It's as Churchill put it: It has actually stood for something. That cannot be forgiven by some.
It's as Churchill put it: It has actually stood for something. That cannot be forgiven by some.
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You dont have to destroy family unit before you have a nation simmilarily you dont have to annihilate regional culture to create a nation state.
And also simmilary you dont have to annihilate nation state in order to have succsessful pan-European project. In fact if you try to do so without the particular nationalisms to be worked out in natural way or to be steadily assimilated into a European identity you are asking for a serious trouble.
There are certainly different entities trying to use EU for their purpose which isnt the same what benefits most of the EU citizens. Detached class of bureaucrats and EU politicians is good example of that.
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In casu, the European Parliament is elected. Apparently, this is what the EU citizenry wants.
Let's not be more off-topic, indeed the thread has a very specific topic, and it is certainly better if there are no posts in it rather than turning it into a generic anti or pro euro thread (i wouldn't bother starting one). That said... you know that the elections for euro parliament notoriously have both very low turnout (in some countries the turnout is actually ridiculous, as in Slovakia and friends) and produce largely anti-euro mps as well, with this set to be even more of the case in the pending election.
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Broken_Erika
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So they finally figured out that it was unworkable?
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Called it !
As I said, dumb initiatives like this that get everybody in a panic usually get rejected.
As I said, dumb initiatives like this that get everybody in a panic usually get rejected.
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