Evolution versus Creationism

[AngryZealot]

A whackjob with a phd is still whackjob. Perfection just has very good whackjob detecting skills.

Speaking of whackjobs, a crazy professor at Berkeley doesn't believe HIV causes AIDS despite incontrovertible evidence. So yes, a PhD on its own doesn't mean anything .

 

[Birdjaguar]

A whackjob with a phd is still whackjob. Perfection just has very good whackjob detecting skills.

Speaking of whackjobs, a crazy professor at Berkeley doesn't believe HIV causes AIDS despite incontrovertible evidence. So yes, a PhD on its own doesn't mean anything .

Yeah, well Lanza is an MD

Had you made the minimum effort of using google, you would have seen that and more.

Who is Robert Lanza

Robert Lanza, M. D. is considered one of the leading scientists in the world. He is currently Chief Scientific Officer at Advanced Cell Technology, and Adjunct Professor at Wake Forest University School of Medicine. He has hundreds of publications and inventions, and 20 scientific books: among them, “Principles of Tissue Engineering,” which is recognized as the definitive reference in the field. Others include One World: The Health & Survival of the Human Species in the 21st Century (Foreword by President Jimmy Carter), and the “Handbook of Stem Cells” and “Essentials of Stem Cell Biology,” which are considered the definitive references in stem cell research. Dr. Lanza received his BA and MD degrees from the University of Pennsylvania, where he was both a University Scholar and Benjamin Franklin Scholar. He was also a Fulbright Scholar, and was part of the team that cloned the world’s first human embryo, the first to clone an endangered species, and to generate stem cells using a method that does not require the destruction of embryos.

Definitely a whackjob Perfy.

 

[AngryZealot]

Well then, I can't argue with that.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Well then, I can't argue with that.

While his credentials do not mean that his stance on Biocentrism is true, they do raise the probability that Perfy's "whackjob detector" is out of calibration.

 

[AngryZealot]

You don't progress that far in science without having at least one crazy idea detached from reality. It's the source of creativity for many scientists, but it needs to be called what it is: crazy.

 

[Birdjaguar]

You don't progress that far in science without having at least one crazy idea detached from reality. It's the source of creativity for many scientists, but it needs to be called what it is: crazy.

In 1968 Robert Bakker published his first paper on warm blooded dinosaurs and then in
1975 he made the "crazy" claim in the popular science press (Scientific American) that dinosaurs were active creatures and probably warm blooded.

Yes, it takes "crazy" ideas to over turn the status quo and reshape the world.

 

[Moss]

In 1968 Robert Bakker published his first paper on warm blooded dinosaurs and then in
1975 he made the "crazy" claim in the popular science press (Scientific American) that dinosaurs were active creatures and probably warm blooded.

Yes, it takes "crazy" ideas to over turn the status quo and reshape the world.

Not to agree with you too much because I did in another thread, but I was going to say something similar.

Of course, there are certainly many crazy ideas that, well, were proven to be crazy. But either way, whether right or wrong, they make people think outside of the box and defend their own beliefs either making their own stances stronger, or their own stances crumble due to the force of logic in the new theory/belief/idea.

 

[Flying Pig]

You can't hold a crazy belief because it's crazy with no evidence. You need to have reason to believe it.

 

[Smidlee]

You can't hold a crazy belief because it's crazy with no evidence. You need to have reason to believe it.

One of the reason they want to believe dinosaurs were warm blooded is it helps then to be a little closer to birds. (they would accept pretty much anything now that hints they had something in common with birds) The reason why they first assume the dinosaurs were cold blooded from the start hasn't went away. That is how a warm blooded dinosaur shed all it's heat with a small surface to volume ratio and how these big animals get enough food to sustain it's high metabolism if they were warm blooded?

 

[El_Machinae]

Now how does evolution handles the chicken or egg paradox is they continue to pass the answer down to the past generation until it come down to the first living cell.

You didn't answer, you just ranted. There's no 'chicken or egg' paradox in Natural History. The ToE gives actual predictions, which actual evidential goals.

What does ToE predict came first, the chicken or the egg? What evidence would disprove such a prediction?

Yeah, well Lanza is an MD

Had you made the minimum effort of using google, you would have seen that and more.



Definitely a whackjob Perfy.

Is it the same Lanza? I saw an article by him in this month's Discover, but I didn't think it would be ACT's Lanza (who I think might win a Nobel prize someday, his work on stem cells has been intensely contributory) because it wasn't about developmental biology

 

[AngryZealot]

One of the reason they want to believe dinosaurs were warm blooded is it helps then to be a little closer to birds. (they would accept pretty much anything now that hints they had something in common with birds) The reason why they first assume the dinosaurs were cold blooded from the start hasn't went away. That is how a warm blooded dinosaur shed all it's heat with a small surface to volume ratio and how these big animals get enough food to sustain it's high metabolism if they were warm blooded?

Why do you assume all dinosaurs, separated by millions of years of evolution, had to have the same metabolism? In any case, the largest animals today are warm blooded. There's no reason the dinosaurs couldn't be. Dinosaurs were assumed to be cold blooded because modern reptiles are cold blooded (even then there are exceptions!).

 

[Perfection]

Yeah, well Lanza is an MD

Oh, MDs are even more suceptable then PhDs!

Had you made the minimum effort of using google, you would have seen that and more.

Don't need to, my whackjob detector is that good.

Definitely a whackjob Perfy.

While his credentials do not mean that his stance on Biocentrism is true, they do raise the probability that Perfy's "whackjob detector" is out of calibration.

Well, whackjobs with doctorates are often good at their actual field. Lanza might be perfectly okay at doing medicine, and may in fact be totally awesome at it. However, biocentrism deals with philosophy and quantum mechanics, things which Lanza is a definite non-expert at! You'll note in all his qualifications, none are in quantum mechanics or philosophy.

It would be a lot more convincing if respected bodes within those fields recognized his work, but they don't and there's a reason why:

Spoiler :

HE'S A WHACKJOB!!!!

 

[Flying Pig]

One of the reason they want to believe dinosaurs were warm blooded is it helps then to be a little closer to birds. (they would accept pretty much anything now that hints they had something in common with birds) The reason why they first assume the dinosaurs were cold blooded from the start hasn't went away. That is how a warm blooded dinosaur shed all it's heat with a small surface to volume ratio and how these big animals get enough food to sustain it's high metabolism if they were warm blooded?

For the record, I agree that they were cold-blooded because all reptiles are and I don't see why they should be an exception, and for the reasons you stated. But I digress; at least people still have some reason to say that they were wam-blooded, if they know that they are close to birds.

 

[AngryZealot]

For the record, I agree that they were cold-blooded because all reptiles are and I don't see why they should be an exception

Because there are always exceptions in biology.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Is it the same Lanza? I saw an article by him in this month's Discover, but I didn't think it would be ACT's Lanza (who I think might win a Nobel prize someday, his work on stem cells has been intensely contributory) because it wasn't about developmental biology

The very same, but don't be readin' Discover or any other "whackjob popular science press". They'll fill your head with rubbish and make you an idiot.

 

[Cutlass]

One of the reason they want to believe dinosaurs were warm blooded is it helps then to be a little closer to birds. (they would accept pretty much anything now that hints they had something in common with birds) The reason why they first assume the dinosaurs were cold blooded from the start hasn't went away. That is how a warm blooded dinosaur shed all it's heat with a small surface to volume ratio and how these big animals get enough food to sustain it's high metabolism if they were warm blooded?

Considering that dinosaurs ruled the earth for some 160 million years, and there was great varieties of them, why couldn't there have been some that were more reptile like, and cold blooded, and some that were more bird like and warm blooded?

 

[Perfection]

The very same, but don't be readin' Discover or any other "whackjob popular science press". They'll fill your head with rubbish and make you an idiot.

Scientific American is decent.


Anyways, I say Lanza is clearly acting outside of his area of training and expertise, which makes him an amateur at the stuff, and quite susceptible to whackjobbery.

Of course, the big thing is that he yammers about quantum consciousness, which is a whackjob honey hole.

 

[Moss]

Perf...what specific thing don't you like about what Lanza has proposed?

 

[Perfection]

Frankly, I didn't read much of what he had to say. He just sort of rambles on about things and makes horrid unfounded conjectures and mischaracterizes quantum physics.

Lanza should stop pretendign to be a physicist/philosopher.

 

[Smidlee]

Considering that dinosaurs ruled the earth for some 160 million years, and there was great varieties of them, why couldn't there have been some that were more reptile like, and cold blooded, and some that were more bird like and warm blooded?

I have no problem with dinosaurs being cold or warm blooded or a cross between the two since I believe creatures are engineered. We find many amazing things in living creatures today.
We know that the platypus is bird-like even though we class it as a mammal so it's possible for a dinosaur to have bird-like characteristics.