Evolution versus Creationism

[Taras Bulba]

Why should turning away from fact lead to a greater understanding of truth?

it doesn't, and in no way am I condoning science. In fact, I love science, and believe we should learn all way can from it. I'm simply stating that we're not going to be able to figure out everything, so we need to keep the big perspective in mind while trying to iron out what we can. (not that we COULDN'T figure out most things, simply that we won't have enough time.... not to mention once this world is over, we'll all have a perfect understanding, and it won't matter)

I don't think it does. But is does make god evil.....
There is no reason to doubt evolution. It been proven beyond a doubt. But I see no reason to believe Creationism

then that's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. But that doesn't mean your opinion is my opinion

But couldn't god save everyone? He is omnipotent after all.

I wasn't asking God this question, I was asking a human.... and as I said, it isn't the same situation.... just a way of relaying the same point

Evolution means people have to die for selection to occur and make humans.

this statement got me. I read it and took it as "humans need to die in order to make humans"
is that what you meant?

I was going to type up an opinion but this is easier

'yer welcome

 

[Aramazd]

it doesn't, and in no way am I condoning science. In fact, I love science, and believe we should learn all way can from it. I'm simply stating that we're not going to be able to figure out everything, so we need to keep the big perspective in mind while trying to iron out what we can. (not that we COULDN'T figure out most things, simply that we won't have enough time.... not to mention once this world is over, we'll all have a perfect understanding, and it won't matter)

Evolution is one of those things we know for sure though.

then that's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. But that doesn't mean your opinion is my opinion

It is. But I don't see a way for god to allow evolution and not be evil.

I wasn't asking God this question, I was asking a human.... and as I said, it isn't the same situation.... just a way of relaying the same point

I assumed you were relating that to god and natural selection.

this statement got me. I read it and took it as "humans need to die in order to make humans"
is that what you meant?

Well, proto-humans suffered for humans to evolve.

 

[Perfection]

it doesn't

People who find confidence in fact stand behind only what they know, or evolution.

Are you saying you don't find confidence in fact here?

 

[Taras Bulba]

Evolution is one of those things we know for sure though.

it is.... and I believe in evolution

It is. But I don't see a way for god to allow evolution and not be evil.

Just as you can only follow the laws of nature (such as physics, etc...), God must follow the laws of the universe. I'm not sure how or why he does everything he does, I just believe that he did this thing in this way, because that makes the most sense, and God hasn't fooled anyone like that before.

Well, proto-humans suffered for humans to evolve.

I find suffered is a bad word to describe it. Being part of nature and falling into natural selection is life. Unless you consider life suffering, I don't think that's the word to use.

 

[Perfection]

God must follow the laws of the universe.

What are these laws, and why must God follow them?

 

[Taras Bulba]

Are you saying you don't find confidence in fact here?

oops... caught me on a brain fart. Now that I read back what you said, I shouldn't have first replied with "it doesn't".

Spoiler :

(I swear I'm partially dyslectic... I sometimes read statements and add or omit little things here and there by skimming to fast... well... maybe that just makes me dumb )

I find confidence in the facts of evolution, but I cannot back-up people who believe evolution is evidence against God. That is why I believe people need to sometimes look at the whole picture... to realize that they both fit together.... they may not go hand-in-hand, but they definately do not form complete opposites

 

[Taras Bulba]

What are these laws, and why must God follow them?

I'm no expert on the divine laws, but one example would be the law of Justice. All things will come to justice eventually. If God broke those laws, he would then be subject too those laws, and being subject to those punishments, would not be God, so if he didn't follow those laws, he wouldn't be God

 

[Perfection]

I'm no expert on the divine laws, but one example would be the law of Justice. All things will come to justice eventually. If God broke those laws, he would then be subject too those laws, and being subject to those punishments, would not be God, so if he didn't follow those laws, he wouldn't be God

Why must the universe be just?

 

[Taras Bulba]

Why must the universe be just?

that's a good question. why must you always ask another question?

 

[Perfection]

I'm curious. Why won't you answer mine?

 

[Taras Bulba]

I'm curious. Why won't you answer mine?

because I don't have the answer to that question, as much as I'd like to

 

[Perfection]

So then why do you think it is so?

 

[Bast]

it doesn't, and in no way am I condoning science. In fact, I love science, and believe we should learn all way can from it. I'm simply stating that we're not going to be able to figure out everything, so we need to keep the big perspective in mind while trying to iron out what we can.

From your posts, it seems to me that you believe in God first and foremost and are simply fitting in evolution and science for convenience. But from what you said in that quoted bit it seems like you're saying science comes first and then you're fitting in religion because science can't explain everything.

You need to make up your mind because the former means you're a creationist and the latter means you believe in evolution. There's a big difference and that's the crux of this discussion.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Did this all really need to turn into yet another discussion of the problem of evil and the existence of God?

 

[Aramazd]

Did this all really need to turn into yet another discussion of the problem of evil and the existence of God?

No, but it just happened.

 

[Simple Simon]

Did this all really need to turn into yet another discussion of the problem of evil and the existence of God?

apparently. and the reason is obvious: god's meanness throughout all of the Old Testament and partly the New Testament, and his (her? its?) inherent callousness are a core problem that has no rational answer. Not even proper irrational ones, I think

 

[GoodGame]

If creationism is to be considered as a scientific treatise, then yes, the existence of God as a fact, does need to be validated. Not comfortable with that?

 

[carmen510]

You could say that God created the original specimens of life and then they evolved in a sort of middle way between Evolution and Creationism.

 

[holy king]

Would God create life and then create things such as fossils ot make people go crazy and fight between whether evolution is real or not. Would God play that kind of psychological warfare on humans?

"people" dont have this discussion, just mainly american people.

 

[Perfection]

Did this all really need to turn into yet another discussion of the problem of evil and the existence of God?

Yep, I KOed all the Creationists, so now I gotta fight somethin' else.