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Fall Patch changes discussion thread

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Tinker, Oct 1, 2013.

  1. mposyncckh

    mposyncckh Chieftain

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    That's what I thought but the "not just cities that have a Hanse." is confusing me.
     
  2. Scarpa

    Scarpa Prince

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    I think they mean you don't have to originate the trade route from the city with the Hanse to get the bonus.
     
  3. Carl5872

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    I think it means it counts all trade routes to city states even if that trade route with a city state is in a city without a hanse.
     
  4. Enrico Swagolo

    Enrico Swagolo Deity

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    I think Hanse works like this - no matter which German city sends the trade route to CS, any city with Hanse receives +5% production, to a maximum of 50% ultra late game (10 trade routes max with Petra and Colossus) for each city with Hanse.

    So let's pretend you have 3 trade routes available. Hamburg built Hanse. Berlin and Frankfurt don't have one, but each of them sends a TR to a CS, with Berlin sending two. Hamburg gets +15% production, Berlin and Frankfurt don't. They'll receive it when they get a Hanse (assuming 3 German trade routes still go to trade with CS)

    Overall... A truly badass UB. Thrice as badass with Freedom's +influence per CS trade route tenet. I do like it a lot, even if UA is pretty much as it were.
     
  5. Mudrac

    Mudrac Orc Warchief

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    Interesting. So it basically turns Germany into a civ that will only trade with city-states. Hmm.. reminds of trade routes inside the Holy Roman Empire.
     
  6. Txurce

    Txurce Deity

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    Or the Hanseatic League.
     
  7. Cyanfunk

    Cyanfunk The Lion

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    Hanseatic league. That's probably the point.
     
  8. Mudrac

    Mudrac Orc Warchief

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    Yeah more like that.. Forgot about them:think:. Does this mean that AI Germany will now be pretty protective towards city-states?
     
  9. Polycrates

    Polycrates Emperor

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    A lot of good changes, but REALLY disappointed that nothing was done about Consulates. I feel like I have to play house rules and force myself not to take this every game because it is so incredibly powerful (and it doesn't scale well - it's even more powerful on larger maps).

    Even something as simple as a switch between consulates and Papal Primacy (+15 for consulates, +20 for Papal Primacy)
     
  10. TheMarshmallowBear

    TheMarshmallowBear Benelovent Chieftain of the BearKingdom

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    Did they not change the default thresholds?

    City-State Influence: Cleaned up influence calculations when a City-State is killed, to ensure a future liberator will be the undisputed ally and receive the intended reward.

    Ally influence is set to 45 (becomes Friends).
    Friends influence is set to 15 (becomes Neutral).
    Neutral influence is set to 0.
    Negative influence remains as it was.
    When liberated, the liberator's influence is set to 150 (becomes Ally).

    Actualyl, what does that even mean? I dno't think it's thresholds.. lol
     
  11. pthmix

    pthmix Warlord

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    I think these are the values which are applied after a CS has been liberated.
     
  12. tmt393

    tmt393 Chieftain

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    I'm pretty satisfied with the changes. Although, how would this change up the strategy for Japan? Would you still go a war-mongering route or try to culture up go for tourism and use zeroes to protect your cities?
     
  13. Polycrates

    Polycrates Emperor

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    Pretty sure that's just for remembering influence once a conquered city-state is liberated? The wording is not entirely clear though...
     
  14. apotheoser

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    I just lol'd at the line. Seems like a wacky change no matter how it works.
     
  15. seasnake

    seasnake Conquistador

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    The Tourism changes make a tourism/war monger strategy super effective, and the changes to warmongering make it more viable.

    Hanse will be really strong, if you can be trading with four or five city states that's +20-25% production in your cities, coupled with cheap army maintenance. If it came any earlier it'd be OP, but banks still come late enough it's just cool.

    Japan getting culture from fishing boats and atolls will offer some flexibility, reason to settle some islands.

    Piety got a nice boost, extra gold from temples is quite valuable given how hard it can be to generate gold. The chance of a great writing in a hidden site is also nice, makes finishing exploration more fun.

    I still think America needs a slight buff, but other than that I think every civ is nicely competitive.
     
  16. Dark_Jedi06

    Dark_Jedi06 "Deus ex Machina."

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    The changes to Germany/Japan aren't exactly what I hoped for, but still an improvement.

    The additional benefits from Tourism sound awesome and I'm really glad to see more Pantheons added so that all of the luxury/bonus resources are getting some love. Changes to the war-mongering penalty are definitely welcomed.
     
  17. Greizer85

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    On world maps where there a lot of atolls, Japan will be a force to be reckoned with. On the map that I'm making, there are islands in the Pacific where there are 8 atolls in range... I do not plan to reduce them due to this change: on the contrary, I'm going to enjoy playing with Japan and being a super-wide cultural powerhouse! :D
     
  18. TheMarshmallowBear

    TheMarshmallowBear Benelovent Chieftain of the BearKingdom

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    Bogota is a new Culture City State
    Vilinius is a new Mercantile City State
    Wellington is a new Maritime City State
     
  19. fat_tonle

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    When will the patch be online?
     
  20. blackcatatonic

    blackcatatonic Queen of Meme

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    Good to see the notes. I haven't downloaded the patch yet, but there are some nice changes. I am disappointed that Diplomatic Victory has simply been made harder rather than being completely overhauled, which IMO it needs. It's just not fun at the moment. Also we could have done with some new World Congress resolutions - there have been some interesting suggestions posted on here.

    Also, would anyone happen to have a list of the new Great Works?
     

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