Fallujah doctors report rise in birth defects

[nonconformist]

Any large instances of such birth defects in Europe then?

No, because, if you knew your history, you'd know t thders died and wouldnt have carried on to give birth.

Or from Palistine where the Israelis used a lot?

From 2008? Nah, genetics don't work quite that way. Give it a couple more years.

 

[GoodGame]

Was there DU use in Falluja? Generally, DU dust is the result of an armor on armor engagement. There wasnt any of that at Falluja.

Some heavy caliber bullets are DU tipped I believe. Not saying that I think DU is to blame, just that it's an interesting correlation.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

Maybe its taken two decades for the particulates from all the oil fields set ablaze by Saddam after the first gulf war to start showing effects.

That is one long pregnancy.

When there's a peer-reviewed study out for it instead of speculation, lemme know.

Concur. I know babies being born with defects is horrible, but try not to let emotions cloud one's judgement.

 

[The Imp]

Frankly, Willy Pete has nevver been used in such an urban, desnely occupied area before; its original use was burning germans out of trenches in WWII

I'm sorry, but the DU hypothesis is far more likely. Birth defects from WP have not been recorded, and it has been around for a relatively long time, and used just as long.

 

[Narz]

the US is either completely innocent or had this planned out

I'd reckon the complete opposite (probably the US has some culpability but it wasn't intentional).

 

[Formaldehyde]

They somehow inadvertantly raised the birth defect rate by 1300%?

 

[civ_king]

They somehow inadvertantly raised the birth defect rate by 1300%?

It was inadvertent because the US thought it was still fighting the Cold War so using DU is fine because Communists aren't real people

 

[Zulu Impi]

Is there really enough depleted uranium around to be using it as armor for thousands of tanks?

Its very common, as the process of enriching uranium produces a lot of it.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I'm certainly not a fan of using DU in populated zones (or anywhere for that matter). But I seriously doubt that it could have caused so many genetic defects in such a short period of time. That is, unless the government has been intentionally deceiving us as to its true toxicity.

 

[Silurian]

MobBoss@
From Janes

Details of the M1 losses were given, including one where 25mm armour-piercing depleted uranium (AP-DU) rounds from an unidentified weapon disabled a US tank near Najaf after penetrating the engine compartment. Another Abrams was disabled near Karbala after a rocket-propelled grenade (RPG) penetrated the rear engine compartment and one was lost in Baghdad after its external auxiliary power unit was set on fire by medium-calibre fire

The attack on Gaza was a year ago.
IF WP causes birth defects not many children would have been born yet
Therefore irrelevent at present
Look again in three or four years

Frankly, Willy Pete has nevver been used in such an urban, desnely occupied area before; its original use was burning germans out of trenches in WWII

Any large instances of such birth defects in Europe then?

noncomformist@ says not used in urban, desnely occupied area before
If there are not many people living on the battlefield there will not be many birth defects
Therefore irrelevent

 

[The Imp]

I'm certainly not a fan of using DU in populated zones (or anywhere for that matter). But I seriously doubt that it could have caused so many genetic defects in such a short period of time. That is, unless the government has been intentionally deceiving us as to its true toxicity.

Well, it has been about 6 years since the battles of Fallujah.

 

[Merkinball]

Very little, if any DU was used in Fallujah.

 

[The Imp]

Very little, if any DU was used in Fallujah.

Why do people ignore my posts? DU ammo was used in each battle. AC-130 gun ships, BFV's, Cobra Gun ships, etc were all used in each battle, and they utilize DU ammo.

I wouldn't know if that was enough to perhaps cause a spike in birth defects, but it is a possibility. I guess another possibility is something chemical tanker getting blown up and going into the water supply.

 

[The Imp]

Also, at Non-con, there have been reports of birth defects in Gaza just recently... you might very well be right after all.

 

[civ_king]

Also, at Non-con, there have been reports of birth defects in Gaza just recently... you might very well be right after all.

Isn't it obvious?

 

[Silurian]

Besarionis@

Also, at Non-con, there have been reports of birth defects in Gaza just recently

Please post reports.

 

[woody60707]

Ehh, I was going to say White Phosphorus, but birth defects have never been recorded in regard to it. Combined with the fact that DU ammo was indeed used in the city, and I believe it is more likely that DU is the culprit.

The World Health Organization (WHO) says your wrong.

No reproductive or developmental effects have been reported in humans.

it doesn't even make sense that it would effect reproductive. I know it has that big scary word, Uranium in there, but you could sleep on this with your bare skin and be 100% safe (note the Depleted part). With the battle being years ago, not 9 months, being exposed would be by secondary means.

The key danger lays with DU being a heavy metal. You get enough of this stuff in your body (dust, eating drinking), and it will mess with your kidneys and nervous system.

Some bomb labs (for making IEDs) can be as toxic as a meth lab. I'm sure having some of those being blown up, or just living around one isn't great for your health. But in general, I would think a warzone wouldn't be healthy. I'm sure all the chemicals, oils, and toxic materials that comes from blowing up tanks, houses, and factories isn't doing anyone any good.

But to dismiss all that and say it's DU because it sounds scary is silly.

 

[MobBoss]

Why do people ignore my posts? DU ammo was used in each battle. AC-130 gun ships, BFV's, Cobra Gun ships, etc were all used in each battle, and they utilize DU ammo.

They also utilize non-DU ammo. Again...DU is an anti-armor ammo. Did the insurgents use a lot of armor at Fallujah? What do you offer as proof that DU ammo was used as opposed to non-DU rounds for those weapons platforms?

Just because it can fire DU rounds doesnt mean it did utilize those rounds.

 

[Shekwan]

Perhaps they've been exposed to too much Democracy and Freedom. I would imagine submerging someone as suddenly and violently in the American Dream as the Iraqis experienced would be bad for anyones health.

 

[civ_king]

The World Health Organization (WHO) says your wrong. it doesn't even make sense that it would effect reproductive. I know it has that big scary word, Uranium in there, but you could sleep on this with your bare skin and be 100% safe (note the Depleted part). With the battle being years ago, not 9 months, being exposed would be by secondary means.

The key danger lays with DU being a heavy metal. You get enough of this stuff in your body (dust, eating drinking), and it will mess with your kidneys and nervous system.

Some bomb labs (for making IEDs) can be as toxic as a meth lab. I'm sure having some of those being blown up, or just living around one isn't great for your health. But in general, I would think a warzone wouldn't be healthy. I'm sure all the chemicals, oils, and toxic materials that comes from blowing up tanks, houses, and factories isn't doing anyone any good.

But to dismiss all that and say it's DU because it sounds scary is silly.

serious? depleted Uranium is merely depleted of the stuff needed for nuclear reactors, IIRC it is actually more reactive than enriched uranium