Far right violence

[Borachio]

Or being able to read.

edit: Yes, I think the Khmer Rouge were leftists. Am I wrong?

Ah, I see by your tone you think I'm right.

 

[Lexicus]

edit: Yes, I think the Khmer Rouge were leftists. Am I wrong?

I would certainly say so.

 

[Borachio]

You would?

I'm frankly staggered.

For me, if it looks like a leftist and acts like a leftist and says it's a leftist, then it's a leftist.

 

[aelf]

...which honestly makes the whole "right/left-wing" dichotomy largely meaningless, or at least extremely arbitrary.

What? You thought they were naturally-occurring?

 

[Borachio]

I don't know that they aren't naturally occurring.

Don't the left and right ultimately stem from cooperation versus competition?

 

[Lexicus]

Don't the left and right ultimately stem from cooperation versus competition?

No. Left and right ultimately stem from the French Revolution.

 

[Ajidica]

Excuse me for interrupting, but doesn't the emboldened imply that the ongoing violence was a means to the end of "creating and maintaining a pure Aryan race"?

I mean, technically, they would reach the point where all that remained was people with Pure Aryan Skull Shape and enslaved sub-humans, but even then, casual violence and brutality was integral to the Nazi understanding of human relationships and was considered essential in maintaining the Master Race.

 

[Borachio]

No. Left and right ultimately stem from the French Revolution.

Well, yes. That's right. With the left being the party of movement and the right the party of order. Or in other words revolution and reaction.

But in terms of the underlying thinking, socialism seems to me to have a cooperative and social solidarity emphasis, while conservatism seems to favour competition and self-reliance.

And I would expect fundamental human dichotomies to substantially predate the French Revolution.

Of course, my analysis (if I might even presume to call it that) is of necessity very approximate. I'm sure things are very much more complicated.

 

[EgonSpengler]

Well, yes. That's right. With the left being the party of movement and the right the party of order. Or in other words revolution and reaction.

But in terms of the underlying thinking, socialism seems to me to have a cooperative and social solidarity emphasis, while conservatism seems to favour competition and self-reliance.

I think that's a decent summary, but there's one thing about many (American) conservatives that I've never been able to reconcile in my own mind: While they favor competition and self-reliance and are dismissive of cooperation, they demand conformity.

 

[Borachio]

For me it's all about balance. We need both cooperation and competition. It's a question of how much of each.

Similarly, we need some conformity, but also a degree of innovation.

 

[EgonSpengler]

For me it's all about balance. We need both cooperation and competition. It's a question of how much of each.

Similarly, we need some conformity, but also a degree of innovation.

I agree. I'm neither a socialist nor a capitalist because I think they're both useful tools for doing some things and not other things. To me, it would be like two carpenters arguing because one of them is a "hammerist" and the other is a "sawist." And, like many powerful tools, they'll both go flying out of control and hurt people and destroy things if you don't keep a hand on them and watch what you're doing.

 

[Leoreth]

Well, yes. That's right. With the left being the party of movement and the right the party of order. Or in other words revolution and reaction.

I thought it was about what kind of breeches you wore (if any).

 

[Lexicus]

I thought it was about what kind of breeches you wore (if any).

Sans culottes all day baby

 

[EgonSpengler]

*Googles 'breeches'* - short trousers fastened just below the knee, now chiefly worn for riding a horse or as part of ceremonial dress.

Nope, never worn breeches. Wouldn't even know where to get some.

 

[BvBPL]

So you admit you don't have a culotte.

 

[EgonSpengler]

I may've worn one, that Halloween party. I'm not sure. I was pretty drunk.

 

[BvBPL]

Sounds like a breech of etiquette.

 

[EgonSpengler]

Some people had their knickers in a twist, but what can you do?

 

[Borachio]

I thought it was about what kind of breeches you wore (if any).

Seems to fit nicely with the party of movement versus the party of order.

Or is it maybe about which side you "dress".

 

[BvBPL]

Some people had their knickers in a twist, but what can you do?

I dunno. My nonviolent principles are really tempted by the idea of belting people who behave inseamly. It all seems like such a waist. I think I need a break.