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FfH trivia game thread

Discussion in 'Fall from Heaven Lore' started by Nikis-Knight, Apr 18, 2007.

  1. Milosrdenstvi

    Milosrdenstvi Chieftain

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    Further hints can be found in the Biblical verses of Luke 19:1-4 and 1 Kings 14:21-22 (conventional Protestant numbering). There's one more verse which practically gives it away, so I'll just say it's in Exodus 15.
     
  2. smjjames

    smjjames Emperor

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    a tsunami??

    I really don't know what you are getting at here.

    edit: it obviously has something to do with water, but I have no clue where to begin as far as your question goes.
     
  3. Milosrdenstvi

    Milosrdenstvi Chieftain

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    Good, then it's a challenge. Where are the lore kings?
     
  4. smjjames

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    hopefully Magister can answer this....

    I'll give another random stab at this..... hmm.... Moses???

    Obviously you're seeing something here that I'm not.

    edit: the trinity??

    edit2: I'm using the biblegateway.com to see those verses as I don't have a bible on hand.
     
  5. MagisterCultuum

    MagisterCultuum Great Sage

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    I have to say that the question makes no sense to me.

    I see no connection between 19:1-4 (about Zacchaeus), I Kings 14:21-22 (about Rehoboam), or Exodus 15


    From wikipedia, I assume that FindOilChes is Fíachu Findoilches, a high King of Ireland who was the son of Fínnachta. Fínnachta's real name was Elim, which also happens to be the place where the Israelites found water at the end of Exodus 15. Is that relevant?

    I don't think that a location can become pope though.

    The closest tie in to FfH thing I can find is that the confessor in Amelanchier's entry was a servant of one Pontiff Elmin, which I at first misread as Elim.
     
  6. Milosrdenstvi

    Milosrdenstvi Chieftain

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    I cannot confirm whether Elmin is the same as Elim. I presume it is. At any rate, this fellow figures very prominently in a piece of lore very important to the Octopus Overlords. What is it, and what does he do?
     
  7. civ_king

    civ_king Deus Caritas Est

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    Jackpot
    um Pontif Elim freed Saverous
    but i cant understand the rest of ur question
    something to do with thralls being freed????
    Also if i remember correctly, Pontiff Elmin was a Pontiff of Junil?

    Kael's own words
    The short version of the story is that when the priest is killed that summoned the demon that is possessing Saverous, Saverous is freed. Then we have the following (which is the opening chapter of the Tale of Saverous):

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    I was the Burnt Priests thrall for 17 years. A mindless creature, my will completely subjected to his. No more than a puppet who played out the darkest of his desires. He had thralls for many purposes, mine was to kill.

    A thrall is not unfeeling, just unchoosing. I felt exactly what he wanted me to. If he wanted me to feel remorse, I did. If he wanted me to delight in the pain and suffering I caused, then I did. Most of the time, because he didn't care, I felt nothing.

    He was killed just over three years ago. I stood in the middle of a Bannor swordsman phylaynx, a mountain of dead bodies around me. Easily 3' foot taller than the largest soldier I was an unstoppable green giant. Glowing runes covered my body, making me stronger, making my skin harder than stone, his power coursing through me.

    The moment he died I had my first real thought since the day he found me, it was one of confusion. The massive obsidion cudgel I wielded, that was always in my hand, was suddenly so heavy. It was covered in gore and blood, its sharp edges glistening. The end dipped toward the earth. I wondered if I should exert more force to hold it up or grab it with both hands, that was my first real thought.

    After 17 years even a simple decision is paralyzing. He had been killed, in that instant his conjurered legions returned to their remote worlds. The magic that strengthened me failed and my mind was free. A cry of triumph went up from the armies of the Bannor, cheering by men granted the gift of life on a day most thought would be their last. And I stood only blankly staring at my heavy club.

    I was chained, dragged from the battlefield and kept under close guard by men waiting for any excuse to kill me. But they didn't need the chains, what was I going to do? Did they think I could jump up and run out of the camp, tear a tent pole from the ground and attack a guard with it? The choices, the options were overwhelming. I felt my bladder growing slowly strained and then the warmth of my own urine spilling on my legs. I just sat and waited for the voice that commanded me to return.

    For all of their purported devotion to honor the armies of Bannor would have killed me had it not been for a diminutive herbalist named Pontif Elim. The single dissenting voice, he claimed I was another victim of the Burnt Priest. Even a greater victim than those slautered at Prespur, those the army strove to avenge. He claimed I was not dangerous.

    For weeks he cared for me, feeding me, giving me water. The only way at first was for him to command me to drink it, yelling and screaming he could force me to swallow. That was the limit of his control over me. My mind sought a voice to lead it, and with all his energy he was able to get me to swallow, to keep me from dying. I wanted to follow, but my mind wanted the return of the Burnt Priests voice.

    In time he could have controlled me. In a few weeks he didn’t have to scream as long or as loud. I could have been an automoton again without any magic at all. But then he stopped telling me what to do. He sat the food in front of me and I stared at it. I was starving and I wanted him to tell me to eat it so badly. My feelings had returned, my desires were slowly coming back, but I still couldn't do anything.

    The first few times he had to break down and tell me to eat the food. But each time he waited a little longer, each time I grew hungrier. Until finally I slowly, incredably slowly, reached out and picked up the piece of cheese in my hand. I held it unbelieving, my head lost with the concept of getting the fist sized piece of cheese into my mouth, my stomach screaming for it. And I did it. I raised it to my mouth and ate.

    Pontif jumped and screamed. The tiny mans white robes and beard bounced randomly as he cheered. He lept and hugged me, it was to much for my throbbing head and I shut down again.

    He struggled to maintain his composure the next time I ate. Standing as far from me as he could in the cramped barn he had converted to my home he watched in glee as I ate nearly half a cooked chicken.

    Then he began moving the food around. He had always set it right in front of me, on the closest side of faded red tack box I used for a table. Then he started moving it away. Again my mind was overwhelmed by the decisions. But in time I got used to this as well.

    One day he had set the food far enough away that I had to crawl to get to it. I had done it a few times before, it was a slow process but I picked it up relatively easily. But on this day, after I crawled to the food I just sat and stared at it. For almost two hours I stared at the cut of crusted bread. Pontif watched, afraid I had suffered another setback on such a minor part of the task. But after 2 hours I reached out and picked up a furry caterpillar that had crawled onto it. Setting it carefully aside I then reached and ate the bread. That was the day I truly awoke.

    - The Tale of Saverous, Act I, Chapter I
     
  8. Milosrdenstvi

    Milosrdenstvi Chieftain

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    That is the correct answer. (The other clues tie in by Zacchaeus being a short man, like Elim, and by the length of Rehoboam's wicked reign being seventeen years. I thought those might jog somebody's memory. Pontif(f) is a synonym for pope.)

    At any rate, the entire first act of the "Tale of Saverous" can be found in this thread.
     
  9. Tyrs

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    Just read through the Tale of Saverous, and I swear to God that Kael needs to write a book...
     
  10. KillerClowns

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    Is the rest of it floating about somewhere? I'm to lazy to scour the forum right now.

    EDIT:
    Seconded. The FfH universe is so well fleshed out it seems a shame only a relatively small handful should know of it.
     
  11. Milosrdenstvi

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    There's the first paragraph of Act II in the Meshabber of Dis pedia entry. Other than that, there is no more published. I don't think Kael ever finished Act II.
     
  12. smjjames

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    Since Civ-King has not made a question, I'll assume it's open floor.

    the question: Is Losha Valas truly immortal, as in she can gain the immortal promo even after bieng killed and losing it?

    Or at least as immortal as one can get without bieng Loki or one of the archangels (Basium, Hyborem), Loki can be considered immortal because he is essentially unkillable.
     
  13. smjjames

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    okaay, looks like nobody knows, or just aren't posting.

    Honestly though I'm not sure the real answer myself. I could easily test it out of course.

    open floor
     
  14. MagisterCultuum

    MagisterCultuum Great Sage

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    What do you mean by "truly immortal"? Sure she can come back indefinitely, but she only gets Immortal back when defeating a living unit. If you are smart you'll use mostly non-living units against her when she isn't immortal. If you're really smart you'll use units with lots of command promotions against her when she is immortal. The Immortal promotion won't resurrect her if she is captured, and you will have just gained a new immortal hero.

    Back in Fire I saw Varn capture Losha and use her to completely destroy the Calabim, two games in a row. This was the best I've ever seen an AI do. Of course, it did mean that the Malakim cities were all reduced to size 3. This was extremely unthematic, but quite fun.
     
  15. smjjames

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    I kind of meant from the perspective of playing AS the Calabim. Maybe the vagueness of the rest of my post made things confusing, which really wasn't intended.

    Anyways, barbarian units are pretty good fodder for making Losha Valas immortal once she gains a few combat promotions, if you can find the barbarians that is.

    it's open floor I guess, didn't mean to confuse people with the rest of my post with the question in it.
     
  16. cyther

    cyther Lord of the Dance

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    Ok I guess I'll ask one:
    What lie did the Dwarves tell the humans of Erebus to protect their amazing discovery?
     
  17. Rex rgis of Ter

    Rex rgis of Ter Me I'm a Creator

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    cyther Lord of the Dance

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    That was just as fast as I suspected. Also quite funny that this lie ended up getting dragons a lot of mithril. Its yours Rex rgis.
     
  19. Rex rgis of Ter

    Rex rgis of Ter Me I'm a Creator

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    Who is the great engineer Khmer Otterfig's favourite muppet?
     
  20. jimi12

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    kermit the frog?
     

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