Marksman77
Aethernaut
Ok, I'm not perfectly honest, as I don't know for sure the answer for my own question 
But from what I understand there are no good answers yet
But from what I understand there are no good answers yet
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MagisterCultuum
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Koun the Cultist and the Grigori Minister Koun are quite different people. I think that Koun is a pretty common name in Erebus, So is Dain (Auric Ulvin grew up with a kind named Dain, but he was not an Amurite.)
I always assumed that "Kraken of the Fields," which refers to Hannah the Irin, meant a monstrous and powerful (albeit not so much physically) being that can enforce the will of the Overlords on land as well as their Krakens can within the depths.
I always assumed that "Kraken of the Fields," which refers to Hannah the Irin, meant a monstrous and powerful (albeit not so much physically) being that can enforce the will of the Overlords on land as well as their Krakens can within the depths.
Marksman77
Aethernaut
According to the wiki the Overlord speaking through the lips of a dreamer
>> spoke of the future, of a human terror that would lead and destroy men, the "Kraken of Fields". <<
I also view the Kraken of Fields as a powerful servant of the Overlords, so I'm going to announce Magister the winner.
I don't think this relates to Hannah, but who knows?
The whole passage is quite unclear to me.
>> spoke of the future, of a human terror that would lead and destroy men, the "Kraken of Fields". <<
I also view the Kraken of Fields as a powerful servant of the Overlords, so I'm going to announce Magister the winner.
I don't think this relates to Hannah, but who knows?
The whole passage is quite unclear to me.
MagisterCultuum
Great Sage
Rage.
Open Floor.
Open Floor.
*pounces on the open floor*
I was going to make a separate topic about this, but hell, I'll ask it here anyway.
Right, I have a city. I want to know the maximum possible population size, without the use of demonic citizens, or future techs.
I'll give it to anyone who gives a reasonably detailed and justified answer, with the factors affecting said city's final size.
There's no set time period on this, it could take 1000 turns if you like, just the theoretical maximum. My figure makes some very heavy assumptions, but it's possible, nonetheless.
I was going to make a separate topic about this, but hell, I'll ask it here anyway.
Right, I have a city. I want to know the maximum possible population size, without the use of demonic citizens, or future techs.
I'll give it to anyone who gives a reasonably detailed and justified answer, with the factors affecting said city's final size.
There's no set time period on this, it could take 1000 turns if you like, just the theoretical maximum. My figure makes some very heavy assumptions, but it's possible, nonetheless.
Blast.
I've just realised you could get a much higher maximum figure than the one I calculated, but it would require a RIDICULOUS (IE impossible) BFC. The one i've calculated is improbable, but possible.
Throw some ideas out there, being a bit of a novice at this I may have missed some things, or failed to understand how the game mechanics work with regard to food and health and all that. City of a thousand slums is a good place to start, but this figure I've got on the scrap of paper in front of me doesn't need it.
I've just realised you could get a much higher maximum figure than the one I calculated, but it would require a RIDICULOUS (IE impossible) BFC. The one i've calculated is improbable, but possible.
Throw some ideas out there, being a bit of a novice at this I may have missed some things, or failed to understand how the game mechanics work with regard to food and health and all that. City of a thousand slums is a good place to start, but this figure I've got on the scrap of paper in front of me doesn't need it.
Bear in mind health limitations, too.
Let's see... Thessa for Expansive, 100% Ancient Forest/Grassland/Farm/Corn (irrigated) using Agriculture with the City of a Thousand Slums and Tower of Complacency, all health resources available and all health-related buildings (except Harbors since you're not coastal) built. Then you just need to do the math.
Edit: Actually, since you can have arbitrarily large amounts of Life mana, I guess health is no limitation. So scrap the health-related calculations, and you could do it with any of the Elven leaders.
Does every source of life mana give you an extra health point then, is it not limited like the health-giving resources?
Anyways, Verily has come pretty close to my hypothetical best situation, which did the same thing except not having ancient forests and using Grassland/Corn/Agriculture, using the Kuriotates. So yeah, I'd say Verily's question.
By the way, the ridiculous situation I came up with was every square in the Kwythellar's BFC (for capital, and the +1 health from Kurio Palace) being an irrigated, farmed, grassland corn tile. I ran it for a little while and took some screens. I also had the idea of settling a few great merchants along the way for the +1 food, kinda going for an absolute score as opposed to an achivable score. Kwythellar topped out at 174 population, for a grand total of 1,879,944,000 people. That's, like, China and India in one city. And that's AWESOME.
One of the hilarious bits was, due to world-buildering in the Ashen Veil for Sacrifice the Weak at, like, turn 4, I won a religious victory around turn 120, as there were no other religions. Also, every other citizen in that city past size 36 was a merchant specialist. Oh yes, oh yes indeed.
EDIT: I also did this on Settler, for the highest difficulty level health bonus you get.
Anyways, Verily has come pretty close to my hypothetical best situation, which did the same thing except not having ancient forests and using Grassland/Corn/Agriculture, using the Kuriotates. So yeah, I'd say Verily's question.
By the way, the ridiculous situation I came up with was every square in the Kwythellar's BFC (for capital, and the +1 health from Kurio Palace) being an irrigated, farmed, grassland corn tile. I ran it for a little while and took some screens. I also had the idea of settling a few great merchants along the way for the +1 food, kinda going for an absolute score as opposed to an achivable score. Kwythellar topped out at 174 population, for a grand total of 1,879,944,000 people. That's, like, China and India in one city. And that's AWESOME.
One of the hilarious bits was, due to world-buildering in the Ashen Veil for Sacrifice the Weak at, like, turn 4, I won a religious victory around turn 120, as there were no other religions. Also, every other citizen in that city past size 36 was a merchant specialist. Oh yes, oh yes indeed.
EDIT: I also did this on Settler, for the highest difficulty level health bonus you get.
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Although they don't show up as stacking in the resource bar on the city screen, Life and Enchantment mana effects do stack. So 4 Life mana means +4 Health in all cities.
I also missed Sacrifice the Weak; that would definitely have to be used as well to reach the max. So to reach the maximum, you'd need to convert first to FoL to get Ancient Forests, then to OO to get the Tower of Complacency, and finally to AV to use Sacrifice the Weak. Assuming that the amount of Life mana you can gain access to is limited, you'd also need to be Thessa and have all of the health buildings and resources (and research Sanitation). I imagine you could probably reach over 200 in population doing that. And obviously the City of a Thousand Slums is necessary since you'll be the Ljosalfar.
Anyway, I have no question right now, so I leave the floor open.
I also missed Sacrifice the Weak; that would definitely have to be used as well to reach the max. So to reach the maximum, you'd need to convert first to FoL to get Ancient Forests, then to OO to get the Tower of Complacency, and finally to AV to use Sacrifice the Weak. Assuming that the amount of Life mana you can gain access to is limited, you'd also need to be Thessa and have all of the health buildings and resources (and research Sanitation). I imagine you could probably reach over 200 in population doing that. And obviously the City of a Thousand Slums is necessary since you'll be the Ljosalfar.
Anyway, I have no question right now, so I leave the floor open.
xienwolf
Deity
Hrm, I figured that the answer would wind up using Sidar with a lot of settled Great Merchants and Sacrifice the Weak + Pillar of Chains (or whichever wonder that was for no 
). But I guess with only 1 food each that 
really might cramp that one out of style.
). But I guess with only 1 food each that really might cramp that one out of style.
Well with a theoretically infinite number of life mana and great merchants there is no real limit.
But that said I've got a city with pop 446 for a total of 420,315,224 people.
Its only using 128 great merchants and 398 life mana, so higher would be possible....
But that said I've got a city with pop 446 for a total of 420,315,224 people.
Its only using 128 great merchants and 398 life mana, so higher would be possible....
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KillerClowns
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Throw Yggdrasil somewhere in that mix... I think that'd be worth more than a farm.
EDIT: What I'm curious about is the maximum you can get without using Great Merchants...
EDIT: What I'm curious about is the maximum you can get without using Great Merchants...
The maximum food you can get without GMs is 326 (9 food*36 tiles + 2 on the city). Assuming an infinite amount of health (using Life Mana) that means you can get to size 326 using Sacrifice the Weak. Yggdrasil doesn't improve this as it provides a maximum of only 8 food (seven naturally with the required techs plus one from an Ancient Forest) whereas farmed, irrigated Corn on Ancient Forests using Agriculture provides 9.
xienwolf
Deity
Unless you are the Calabim and get another 2 from your unique Granary 
(and yes, FF fans, also unless you are the Mataztl and can get tons of food from Trade Routes)
(and yes, FF fans, also unless you are the Mataztl and can get tons of food from Trade Routes)
KillerClowns
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Unless you are the Calabim and get another 2 from your unique Granary
While technically, farming Ancient forests would be impossible for the Calabim, I'll ignore that. Call it Elven slaves if you must. So assuming infinite life mana, max size is 326 from Verily's calculations, plus 2 for the Calabim granary, plus another 2 for an obelisk dedicated to Amathon. 330.
MagisterCultuum
Great Sage
The Calabim could have captured an elven city though, and left the ancient forests with farms intact.
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