Fighting overpopulation by homosexuality

[Aroddo]

wrong premise.
fight overpopulation by prosperity and education.

 

[Yeekim]

I would have no problem with this plan if your premises were true. However, as others have pointed out, #4 quite certainly isn't.

 

[AlpsStranger]

Just... no.

I'm pretty liberal and incredibly irreligious, but this is over the line. Way, way over.

I'm also pretty sure doing something like this would have unexpected consequences.

 

[Disgustipated]

I think this thread shows there are much better ways to fight overpopulation. But what about increasing homosexuality (I doubt it's possible, but just hypothetically) to reduce homophobia and hate crimes against gays? If gay is normal, then wouldn't this reduce hate crimes against gays?

 

[bathsheba666]

I think this thread shows there are much better ways to fight overpopulation. But what about increasing homosexuality (I doubt it's possible, but just hypothetically) to reduce homophobia and hate crimes against gays? If gay is normal, then wouldn't this reduce hate crimes against gays?

Ermmm, gay is normal.

 

[vonbach]

Since when is overpopulation a problem? Stop supporting
third world populations and it ceases to be a problem.
Their populations will self regulate.

 

[BasketCase]

You could be, but I don't think you are.

Exactly. You don't think I live in a Third World nation; you don't know for sure.

Also, this isn't really forced birth control, it's just an alteration of the foetus, perhaps encouraged by the state, but here you have the choice.

Aha. If participation is voluntary, then the program is fail. As is the case with all forms of voluntary population control--when you give people a choice about it, enough people make the wrong choice that there's no noticeable reduction in the rate of population growth. For most people, the overriding desire is to have a family and pass on their genetic code. If that's an inconvenience to others? Tough cookies.

Homosexuality is not a choice

Wrong. The medical and psychological sciences haven't figured this one out; nobody knows if it's a matter of choice or genetics or what. Though, people generally want it to be one or the other, in order to suit various political agendas.

 

[AlpsStranger]

Wrong. The medical and psychological sciences haven't figured this one out; nobody knows if it's a matter of choice or genetics or what. Though, people generally want it to be one or the other, in order to suit various political agendas.

I've always thought it was misguided to say it isn't a choice. It might not be, but that's hardly the issue. I'm pro gay rights simply because it's a vector in the war against theocratic laws.

Homosexuality is one of those cases where the justification for restrictions on it is 99.5% theological. There are scarce secular justifications for it. That's why it's on my radar.

 

[Tycho Brahe]

Fight overpopulation by anal sex. Heteros can do it to.

 

[AlpsStranger]

Fight overpopulation by anal sex. Heteros can do it to.

As a friend of mine used to say: it isn't gay if you can do it to a girl.

 

[warpus]

If homosexuality is a tool of nature to fight overpopulation (Yes, I know the nature can't use tools or fight..) - is there any issue in speeding the process up to prevent suffering?

What an interesting idea.

I'd love to read a Logan's run type novel set in a universe where this happens: Only 10% of the people born are straight, and teh gays aren't allowed to make kids in any sort of way, to keep the population down.

I'd be for this only because it'd annoy sooo many people.

Wrong. The medical and psychological sciences haven't figured this one out; nobody knows if it's a matter of choice or genetics or what. Though, people generally want it to be one or the other, in order to suit various political agendas.

Not quite. I would have to say that 90% of the heterosexual people I've talked to said they couldn't possibly make themselves be attracted to members of the same sex. It's kinda like you just don't like avocados and that's all there is to it, you know? That 10% was compromised mostly of women and MobBoss.

The only people who claim that they are able to change sexual orientation on a whim seem to be a small minority of women and a small minority of right-wing religious types. Take from that what you will.

 

[wapamingo]

The developed nations where this might be possible don't have a population growth problem....

This is it. Over population, to me, is a local not global problem.

 

[caketastydelish]

Fight overpopulation by anal sex. Heteros can do it to.

That, or birth control.

 

[AlpsStranger]

That, or birth control.

Nah, Santorum told me birth control was bad. Anal sex it is!

 

[BasketCase]

I'm pro gay rights simply because it's a vector in the war against theocratic laws.

Homosexuality is one of those cases where the justification for restrictions on it is 99.5% theological. There are scarce secular justifications for it. That's why it's on my radar.

Uhhh, not seeing that. I'm an atheist and I still consider homosexuality abnormal.

There's plenty of other reasons to oppose theocratic laws anyway.

Not quite. I would have to say that 90% of the heterosexual people I've talked to said they couldn't possibly make themselves be attracted to members of the same sex.

Absolutely. The question is, why is that? Is it genetic? Is it something learned? How did they get to where they couldn't possibly go to bat for the other team? That's what science doesn't know.

 

[Narz]

And yet there's no population growth. So in the long run it's much more sustainable. Those poorer people in the 3rd world are trying to be in the developed world. If there's no population growth, then people will immigrate to replace the missing bodies.

It's hard to say without clear definitions of what sustainability means. Perhaps the 1st world does have a more sustainable population but less sustainable lifestyles. Dick Cheney said the American way of life is non-negotiable, well, he was wrong. The American way of life is mostly a nostalgic sales pitch for politicians now, I don't think even the dumbest of them think we can return to the massive growth & irrational exuberance of the 80's & 90's.

Fight overpopulation by anal sex. Heteros can do it to.

I'm sorry, I like the punani too much, I just can't get behind that proposal.

 

[warpus]

Absolutely. The question is, why is that? Is it genetic? Is it something learned? How did they get to where they couldn't possibly go to bat for the other team? That's what science doesn't know.

It's not a matter of "not being able to bat for the other team", it's more a matter of not being able to be attracted to that one particular thing.

It's sort of like my dislike of strawberries. Could I make myself like strawberries? No, I hate them. Why? I have no idea. I could still "bat for the other team" and force myself to eat one.

 

[Disgustipated]

Ermmm, gay is normal.

Gays don't even come close to 50% of the population, so I disagree.

 

[Old Hippy]

Gays don't even come close to 50% of the population, so I disagree.

neither do Red heads or left handers.... but they are normal

 

[BasketCase]

It's not a matter of "not being able to bat for the other team", it's more a matter of not being able to be attracted to that one particular thing.

Same difference. The question is, why are those people unable to be attracted to that one particular thing? Is it genetic? Learned?

It's sort of like my dislike of strawberries. Could I make myself like strawberries? No, I hate them. Why? I have no idea.

Exactly! You have no idea. Just as science has no idea what turns a person gay.